Who? Hoyer for now with Shaw on the rise. Hoyer is capable of being much better than he's been. I'm not sure what the story is there but Loggains and Ragone need to figure it out and fast. He looks very tentative and uncomfortable so far but of course he's also been playing with the backups so how much that has to do with it I can't say. What I can say though is he needs to snap out of it and fast and start playing like the experienced vet he is.
Fales isn't and never has been the right QB for this offense. I was thrilled to see Shaw get his reps the other night because he is and he's also as good as anyone we could have drafted in the mid to late rounds. He's got good pocket presence, great wheels and mobility, he keeps his head, and he throws a nice ball. All he needs is more experience and eventually I think he'll get it. Today as it stands he's our developmental guy.
Pete Carroll and Seattle wanted him in the worst way because they could see that Russell Wilson kind of potential in him and he would have made a perfect #2 for them to Russell as a starter. He's a gutsy kid and I think we can make something out of him. He's on the small side and may never be a full time starter but I think he's the guy we keep and Fales is the guy who goes.
Who? Hoyer for now with Shaw on the rise. Hoyer is capable of being much better than he's been. I'm not sure what the story is there but Loggains and Ragone need to figure it out and fast. He looks very tentative and uncomfortable so far but of course he's also been playing with the backups so how much that has to do with it I can't say. What I can say though is he needs to snap out of it and fast and start playing like the experienced vet he is.
Fales isn't and never has been the right QB for this offense. I was thrilled to see Shaw get his reps the other night because he is and he's also as good as anyone we could have drafted in the mid to late rounds. He's got good pocket presence, great wheels and mobility, he keeps his head, and he throws a nice ball. All he needs is more experience and eventually I think he'll get it. Today as it stands he's our developmental guy.
Pete Carroll and Seattle wanted him in the worst way because they could see that Russell Wilson kind of potential in him and he would have made a perfect #2 for them to Russell as a starter. He's a gutsy kid and I think we can make something out of him. He's on the small side and may never be a full time starter but I think he's the guy we keep and Fales is the guy who goes.
I'll take your word on Shaw. But when I went to TC this year, his arm was the weakest of all of the QBs in camp.
It's going to be Hoyer. He is not very good, but he is going to be the #2
Yeah, I think so too, dont think our coaches are too keen on qb development. not that it is an easy job
I would think also that Hoyer will be #2. He's not good enough for the slot IMO, but Shaw and Fales arent either, and I think Fox & co. would rather have a vet than a rook as #2.
I thought I would like Fales more than I did, but was not too impressed. Could say the same for Hoyer except for the part where I thought I would like him more than I did. Shaw looked like he may have some potential. Not like the next coming of Montana, but looked like he stayed calm and he didn't make any stupid decisions.
Going back to Cutler (we always do), he seems to be more controlled and not prone to stupid decisions. Not very dynamic or exciting, but more solid ---- which we can win with if Vic does his thing with the D.
Who? Hoyer for now with Shaw on the rise. Hoyer is capable of being much better than he's been. I'm not sure what the story is there but Loggains and Ragone need to figure it out and fast. He looks very tentative and uncomfortable so far but of course he's also been playing with the backups so how much that has to do with it I can't say. What I can say though is he needs to snap out of it and fast and start playing like the experienced vet he is.
Fales isn't and never has been the right QB for this offense. I was thrilled to see Shaw get his reps the other night because he is and he's also as good as anyone we could have drafted in the mid to late rounds. He's got good pocket presence, great wheels and mobility, he keeps his head, and he throws a nice ball. All he needs is more experience and eventually I think he'll get it. Today as it stands he's our developmental guy.
Pete Carroll and Seattle wanted him in the worst way because they could see that Russell Wilson kind of potential in him and he would have made a perfect #2 for them to Russell as a starter. He's a gutsy kid and I think we can make something out of him. He's on the small side and may never be a full time starter but I think he's the guy we keep and Fales is the guy who goes.
I'll take your word on Shaw. But when I went to TC this year, his arm was the weakest of all of the QBs in camp.
You saw a lot more of him than I did chuck and that counts for something. Fales arm never impressed me much either but what I did see so far in games is that Shaw throws a nice ball. Not a lot of air and a very tight spiral making it a very catchable ball. Fales always looks to me like he's trying to float a ball into a receiver and leaves it with too much air time.
Other than that to me the biggest difference is their composure and pocket presence. It seems to me that the first thing in Shaws head is to quickly survey the situation and decide whether he has an open receiver or he needs to buy time in the pocket or escape the pocket in order to do it all the while looking downfield. Cutler has finally learned to do that too and it's helped him a lot in his game.
Fales and Hoyer both stand in there and hold the ball too long before making a decision. I was especially miffed at Fales for retreating into the end zone in the Broncos game. Geez, either throw it away or move laterally like you see Shaw and Cutler do. Don't retreat into the end zone when you're standing near your own goaline. I just like mobile passer who can provide options pocket passers can't. Christ, Aaron Rodgers kills us with that every time we play him.
I'll take your word on Shaw. But when I went to TC this year, his arm was the weakest of all of the QBs in camp.
You saw a lot more of him than I did chuck and that counts for something. Fales arm never impressed me much either but what I did see so far in games is that Shaw throws a nice ball. Not a lot of air and a very tight spiral making it a very catchable ball. Fales always looks to me like he's trying to float a ball into a receiver and leaves it with too much air time.
Other than that to me the biggest difference is their composure and pocket presence. It seems to me that the first thing in Shaws head is to quickly survey the situation and decide whether he has an open receiver or he needs to buy time in the pocket or escape the pocket in order to do it all the while looking downfield. Cutler has finally learned to do that too and it's helped him a lot in his game.
Fales and Hoyer both stand in there and hold the ball too long before making a decision. I was especially miffed at Fales for retreating into the end zone in the Broncos game. Geez, either throw it away or move laterally like you see Shaw and Cutler do. Don't retreat into the end zone when you're standing near your own goaline. I just like mobile passer who can provide options pocket passers can't. Christ, Aaron Rodgers kills us with that every time we play him.
I went to TC on the Monday after it opened. Either the second or third full contact day.
I wrote a long (and likely rambling and pointless) thread about my observations on the old board. I was sitting in the bleachers right in front of here the QBs were doing one of the passing drills. Maybe only 15 or 20 yards away. Of the four, Cutler and Hoyer looked huge in comparison vs Fales and Shaw. Shaw looked even smaller than Fales. If you look at the Bears official roster, they are the same size (Fales 6'1" and 215 and Shaw 6'1" and 210). But Shaw just looked smaller. Maybe Fales has worked harder in the weight room or something. And on the passing drills they were throwing out patterns where the receiver was 15+ yards down field (yard marker wise) but the overall passing distance was easily 20 - 25 yards. Cutler and Hoyer both had no issues making the throw with little arc. Fales could do it with some arc on it and Shaw was having difficulty. It had rained a lot the days before I went and parts of the field were really sloppy. SO the ball could have been wet or Shaw could have just had a bad day.
There were no 7 on 7 or 11 on 11 drills that day where I could see Show rolling out and playing in space. Maybe that's his game. But all mobile QBs have to be able to sit in the pocket and make throws in the NFL if they are to be successful and from what I saw Shaw will have issues doing that.
