New head coach for 2025 - who should they hire?

[JABF]

Nov 8, 2024 20:40:01 GMT -6 davidl said:

Nov 7, 2024 20:23:44 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

You might be right but that won't fly.  No one is going to accept that as an excuse.  It will widely seen for what it is--a cop-out and CYA move.

I think it will come down to whether they win 9 games or 8 games. If it is 9, they can get away with just scapegoating Waldron.  If it is 8, Eberflus is fired also.  If it’s 7, Warren should fire them all, but I’m not predicting that.

The problem I see with keeping Eberflus and firing Waldron, is that no good OC is coming here when 'Flus is very likely a goner in 2026.  At least that is how the OC job opening will be viewed.  Yes, "somebody" will take the job and be mighty glad he got it... but that "somebody" probably isn't going to be very good if he takes this 2025 job knowing it is probably a 1-year gig.  

[bearsinhouston]

Nov 8, 2024 22:14:41 GMT -6 JABF said:

Nov 8, 2024 20:40:01 GMT -6 davidl said:

I think it will come down to whether they win 9 games or 8 games. If it is 9, they can get away with just scapegoating Waldron.  If it is 8, Eberflus is fired also.  If it’s 7, Warren should fire them all, but I’m not predicting that.

The problem I see with keeping Eberflus and firing Waldron, is that no good OC is coming here when 'Flus is very likely a goner in 2026.  At least that is how the OC job opening will be viewed.  Yes, "somebody" will take the job and be mighty glad he got it... but that "somebody" probably isn't going to be very good if he takes this 2025 job knowing it is probably a 1-year gig.  

Well, that meets our requirements

[dachuckster]

Nov 8, 2024 22:01:36 GMT -6 JABF said:

Nov 8, 2024 21:35:11 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Flus pretty much has to win the next 3 to get back seriously into the playoff race. 

Can you come up with a scenario whereby the team is not doing that well but Caleb is looking good and ascending so Flus gets to stay?  I suppose you can.  

Beyond that, I can't see how Flus survives without a miracle like I said above (winning the next 3, finishing 4-2 or better in division, Caleb improving well).  I don't care if he has 2 years left on his contract or 1.  If in January it still looks like Caleb Williams is being screwed up, Flus and Waldron are dead men walking.  

I wouldn't be shocked if Waldron got canned in-season if this continues as Flus is gonna get increasingly desperate to save his own ass.  That might be his last-ditch move.  If we lose to NE Sunday, especially if Maye outplays Williams that game, Waldron might be gone in short order.

These guys, both of them, have been a total disaster the first half of this season.  Remember its a miracle we aren't 3-5 right now.  We only beat Tennessee by sheer luck and a great defense.  The offense was terrible.

It is going to be very interesting.  I could see one (just one) possibility where the team is so embarrassing they HAVE to fire Eberflus and eat some serious money (not just 'Flus but this fairly large coaching staff... more than two dozen coaches).  Consequently the team could go cheap on the new coaching staff.  I'm not saying the Bears are cheap.  I'm saying there may be enough of a financial hit here (two remaining seasons on 'Flus contract alone) that they go cheap and get a crap coaching staff again.  They will be throwing the fans a bone to shut them up for a couple years that way and not break the bank.  

This is why I'm not worried about firing everyone, but VERY worried about the hiring of the new guys.  That is the cycle of failure here, the failure to hire good coaches.  Doesn't mean you don't fire 'Flus.  Just saying I'm not getting my hopes up that anything really changes after he's fired.

I couldn't have said this any better.

[brasilbear]

So Bear like this would be....

[davidl]

Nov 8, 2024 22:14:41 GMT -6 JABF said:

Nov 8, 2024 20:40:01 GMT -6 davidl said:

I think it will come down to whether they win 9 games or 8 games. If it is 9, they can get away with just scapegoating Waldron.  If it is 8, Eberflus is fired also.  If it’s 7, Warren should fire them all, but I’m not predicting that.

The problem I see with keeping Eberflus and firing Waldron, is that no good OC is coming here when 'Flus is very likely a goner in 2026.  At least that is how the OC job opening will be viewed.  Yes, "somebody" will take the job and be mighty glad he got it... but that "somebody" probably isn't going to be very good if he takes this 2025 job knowing it is probably a 1-year gig.  

I know, but with 9 wins, Warren/Poles can call the season “progress” (9>7) talk about “continuity” (remember that word?) and do the same thing they did last year — fire the OC.  They will expect that will satisfy fans one more year.

That argument will be harder to sell with 8 wins, and Eberflus would likely be gone.  

Poles is safe with anything more than 7 wins, but 7 would tell us a lot about Warren.

[bearsinhouston]

Nov 9, 2024 11:32:45 GMT -6 davidl said:

Nov 8, 2024 22:14:41 GMT -6 JABF said:

The problem I see with keeping Eberflus and firing Waldron, is that no good OC is coming here when 'Flus is very likely a goner in 2026.  At least that is how the OC job opening will be viewed.  Yes, "somebody" will take the job and be mighty glad he got it... but that "somebody" probably isn't going to be very good if he takes this 2025 job knowing it is probably a 1-year gig.  

I know, but with 9 wins, Warren/Poles can call the season “progress” (9>7) talk about “continuity” (remember that word?) and do the same thing they did last year — fire the OC.  They will expect that will satisfy fans one more year.

That argument will be harder to sell with 8 wins, and Eberflus would likely be gone.  

Poles is safe with anything more than 7 wins, but 7 would tell us a lot about Warren.

With the rest of our opponents, we won't get 9 wins

[mpbears68]

Nov 9, 2024 11:32:45 GMT -6 davidl said:

Nov 8, 2024 22:14:41 GMT -6 JABF said:

The problem I see with keeping Eberflus and firing Waldron, is that no good OC is coming here when 'Flus is very likely a goner in 2026.  At least that is how the OC job opening will be viewed.  Yes, "somebody" will take the job and be mighty glad he got it... but that "somebody" probably isn't going to be very good if he takes this 2025 job knowing it is probably a 1-year gig.  

I know, but with 9 wins, Warren/Poles can call the season “progress” (9>7) talk about “continuity” (remember that word?) and do the same thing they did last year — fire the OC.  They will expect that will satisfy fans one more year.

That argument will be harder to sell with 8 wins, and Eberflus would likely be gone.  

Poles is safe with anything more than 7 wins, but 7 would tell us a lot about Warren.

Poles said "it's time to win" back in August.  7 or 8 wins would be a major disappointment.  Even 9 isn't that impressive.  Remember we had a powder-puff schedule the first 9 games.  We really played only 2 good teams and most of the other 7 were all bottom feeders.  Carolina, New England, Tennessee, and Jacksonville are quite literally 4 of the worst teams in the league this season.  

Regardless of wins, I don't see how the current coaching regime survives unless the Caleb Williams trajectory makes a major upswing here soon.  Jaden Daniels is blowing him away and doing so with far inferior weapons.  Flus/Waldron MAIN JOB this season is setting CW up for success going forward and right now they are failing at that big time.

[brasilbear]

I think Flus has to get to 9 wins or 8 wins convincingly (like beating GB and Minny). At 7 wins he's gone (at least in my world.) Problem is, even with 9 wins, I don't think he's the guy.

[davidl]

Nov 9, 2024 12:21:20 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Nov 9, 2024 11:32:45 GMT -6 davidl said:

I know, but with 9 wins, Warren/Poles can call the season “progress” (9>7) talk about “continuity” (remember that word?) and do the same thing they did last year — fire the OC.  They will expect that will satisfy fans one more year.

That argument will be harder to sell with 8 wins, and Eberflus would likely be gone.  

Poles is safe with anything more than 7 wins, but 7 would tell us a lot about Warren.

Poles said "it's time to win" back in August.  7 or 8 wins would be a major disappointment.  Even 9 isn't that impressive.  Remember we had a powder-puff schedule the first 9 games.  We really played only 2 good teams and most of the other 7 were all bottom feeders.  Carolina, New England, Tennessee, and Jacksonville are quite literally 4 of the worst teams in the league this season.  

Regardless of wins, I don't see how the current coaching regime survives unless the Caleb Williams trajectory makes a major upswing here soon.  Jaden Daniels is blowing him away and doing so with far inferior weapons.  Flus/Waldron MAIN JOB this season is setting CW up for success going forward and right now they are failing at that big time.

Daniels has 88 pff grade and Williams 61 pff.  If this continues and Daniels wins Offensive Rookie of the Year, people will question whether Poles draft the wrong QB, after passing on CJ Stroud last year.  Almost everyone here except Ric and I think Poles is a genius GM. It’s not coaches fault for all the overthrow passes, especially deep throws.

If the Bears somehow lose this Pats game, Waldron will be fired next week.

[JABF]

Nov 9, 2024 13:33:32 GMT -6 davidl said:

Nov 9, 2024 12:21:20 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Poles said "it's time to win" back in August.  7 or 8 wins would be a major disappointment.  Even 9 isn't that impressive.  Remember we had a powder-puff schedule the first 9 games.  We really played only 2 good teams and most of the other 7 were all bottom feeders.  Carolina, New England, Tennessee, and Jacksonville are quite literally 4 of the worst teams in the league this season.  

Regardless of wins, I don't see how the current coaching regime survives unless the Caleb Williams trajectory makes a major upswing here soon.  Jaden Daniels is blowing him away and doing so with far inferior weapons.  Flus/Waldron MAIN JOB this season is setting CW up for success going forward and right now they are failing at that big time.

Daniels has 88 pff grade and Williams 61 pff.  If this continues and Daniels wins Offensive Rookie of the Year, people will question whether Poles draft the wrong QB, after passing on CJ Stroud last year.  Almost everyone here except Ric and I think Poles is a genius GM. It’s not coaches fault for all the overthrow passes, especially deep throws.

If the Bears somehow lose this Pats game, Waldron will be fired next week.

I doesn't matter who the Bears draft due to the fact they are incapable of developing QB1's here.  Caleb Williams has more talent than I've seen in many years - until he came to the Bears.

If the Bears had drafted Patrick Mahomes in that 2017 draft when they had the chance to do that, I 100% believe he would have been a bust here.