Pats beat Bears - who gets the deflated ball?

[mpbears68]

Nov 11, 2024 8:31:25 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

www.chicagotribune.com/2024/11/11/chicago-bears-brad-biggs-10-thoughts-week-10/

1. Matt Eberflus has a mess on his hands.
2. It was late in the 2004 season and I was walking through the hallway at Halas Hall toward the locker room when an offensive assistant signaled to me.
(Compares this OFF with the Terry Shea OFF from 2004, Lovie's first season. It was bad...Quinn, Kenzel, Grossman...)
3. The Bears’ issues on offense begin on the offensive line and they were in a tough spot Sunday, being so short-handed without the tackles.
4. With nose tackle Andrew Billings out for the remainder of the season following surgery to repair a torn pectoral muscle, the run defense should become a key focus.
5. There is so much wrong with the Bears offense right now that it can be overwhelming trying to figure out where to start.
6. Jaquan Brisker missed his fourth consecutive game and has been out five weeks with a concussion, which is concerning for all involved.
7. Finally, the Bears will dive into action against NFC North opponents with the Green Bay Packers coming to Soldier Field next Sunday.
8. The Bears have gone to lengths to support Nate Davis in the season-and-a-half after signing him to a $30 million, three-year contract in free agency.
9. Kudos to third-year safety Elijah Hicks for doing a solid job filling in for Jaquan Brisker.
10. Carolina walked off the New York Giants on an Eddy Pineiro field goal Sunday morning in Germany, lifting the Panthers to 3-7 as they’ve now won consecutive games.
10a. Weak-side linebacker T.J. Edwards had a game-high 13 tackles (seven solos) with an interception. In 26 games with the Bears, Edwards has four interceptions, nine pass breakups, two forced fumbles and three fumble recoveries. That’s impressive ball production for an off-the-ball linebacker.
10b. Look for more playing time moving forward for defensive end Jacob Martin, who had his second sack of the season.
10c. It looked like Montez Sweat’s shin injury which kept him out of the Arizona game last week flared up Sunday.
10d. The No. 1 Fox crew of Kevin Burkhardt, Tom Brady and Erin Andrews will call the Packers-Bears game from Soldier Field next Sunday.
10e. The Packers, who are coming off a bye, opened as a 6 1/2-point favorite over the Bears at Westgate SuperBook in Las Vegas. The Bears have lost 10 consecutive games to Green Bay.

1. Flus IS the problem.  He sucks as a HC and both OCs he has hired have totally sucked.  Poles made a disastrous decision to stick with him last offseason and its wrecking Williams right now.  It's not f'ing complicated -- Flus and Wal need to be fired TODAY

2. Considering the weapons they have, this is one of the worst offenses I can remember.  

3. Yes, the OL is a problem and Poles owns that until he can address it this offseason.  That still doesn't excuse Flus/Wal for this dumpster fire.  They're getting crushed by bad defenses with no pass rush and still can't scheme up a 6 yard out to get a drive going.

4. Sure, but that's a distant 2nd concern to getting CW stabilized and back on the upswing.  The season is effectively over so CW is all that matters the next 8 games.  I don't care if we lose 31-27 every game.  Just get CW comfortable and ascending again.  **** the defense

5. The starting point is easy.  Replace the HC and OC.  DONE

6. Brisker is in the same boat as Jenkins.  Both are good players that should be allowed to leave in FA when their contracts are up.  Can't pay either one and neither is healthy on a consistent basis.  Sucks, but move on from both.

7. We are gonna get crushed Sunday.  In fact, we will be heavy underdogs in each of the remaining 8 games.  In all honesty, 2-6 is about the best you can hope for and it wouldn't surprise me if we lose all 8 (that would be an 11 game losing streak), especially if they are dumb enough to ride out the season with Flus.  The players HATE Flus at this point and you can see it from their comments reading between the lines.  They lost all respect for him 2 weeks ago and we all know why.  He has to go right now.

8. Who cares? Davis was a terrible signing and a complete waste of money.  He should never see the field again here.

9. Noticed that too--Hicks has been a solid backup

[bearsinhouston]

Nov 11, 2024 9:21:43 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Nov 11, 2024 8:31:25 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

www.chicagotribune.com/2024/11/11/chicago-bears-brad-biggs-10-thoughts-week-10/

1. Matt Eberflus has a mess on his hands.
2. It was late in the 2004 season and I was walking through the hallway at Halas Hall toward the locker room when an offensive assistant signaled to me.
(Compares this OFF with the Terry Shea OFF from 2004, Lovie's first season. It was bad...Quinn, Kenzel, Grossman...)
3. The Bears’ issues on offense begin on the offensive line and they were in a tough spot Sunday, being so short-handed without the tackles.
4. With nose tackle Andrew Billings out for the remainder of the season following surgery to repair a torn pectoral muscle, the run defense should become a key focus.
5. There is so much wrong with the Bears offense right now that it can be overwhelming trying to figure out where to start.
6. Jaquan Brisker missed his fourth consecutive game and has been out five weeks with a concussion, which is concerning for all involved.
7. Finally, the Bears will dive into action against NFC North opponents with the Green Bay Packers coming to Soldier Field next Sunday.
8. The Bears have gone to lengths to support Nate Davis in the season-and-a-half after signing him to a $30 million, three-year contract in free agency.
9. Kudos to third-year safety Elijah Hicks for doing a solid job filling in for Jaquan Brisker.
10. Carolina walked off the New York Giants on an Eddy Pineiro field goal Sunday morning in Germany, lifting the Panthers to 3-7 as they’ve now won consecutive games.
10a. Weak-side linebacker T.J. Edwards had a game-high 13 tackles (seven solos) with an interception. In 26 games with the Bears, Edwards has four interceptions, nine pass breakups, two forced fumbles and three fumble recoveries. That’s impressive ball production for an off-the-ball linebacker.
10b. Look for more playing time moving forward for defensive end Jacob Martin, who had his second sack of the season.
10c. It looked like Montez Sweat’s shin injury which kept him out of the Arizona game last week flared up Sunday.
10d. The No. 1 Fox crew of Kevin Burkhardt, Tom Brady and Erin Andrews will call the Packers-Bears game from Soldier Field next Sunday.
10e. The Packers, who are coming off a bye, opened as a 6 1/2-point favorite over the Bears at Westgate SuperBook in Las Vegas. The Bears have lost 10 consecutive games to Green Bay.

1. Flus IS the problem.  He sucks as a HC and both OCs he has hired have totally sucked.  Poles made a disastrous decision to stick with him last offseason and its wrecking Williams right now.  It's not f'ing complicated -- Flus and Wal need to be fired TODAY

2. Considering the weapons they have, this is one of the worst offenses I can remember.  

3. Yes, the OL is a problem and Poles owns that until he can address it this offseason.  That still doesn't excuse Flus/Wal for this dumpster fire.  They're getting crushed by bad defenses with no pass rush and still can't scheme up a 6 yard out to get a drive going.

4. Sure, but that's a distant 2nd concern to getting CW stabilized and back on the upswing.  The season is effectively over so CW is all that matters the next 8 games.  I don't care if we lose 31-27 every game.  Just get CW comfortable and ascending again.  **** the defense

5. The starting point is easy.  Replace the HC and OC.  DONE

6. Brisker is in the same boat as Jenkins.  Both are good players that should be allowed to leave in FA when their contracts are up.  Can't pay either one and neither is healthy on a consistent basis.  Sucks, but move on from both.

7. We are gonna get crushed Sunday.  In fact, we will be heavy underdogs in each of the remaining 8 games.  In all honesty, 2-6 is about the best you can hope for and it wouldn't surprise me if we lose all 8 (that would be an 11 game losing streak), especially if they are dumb enough to ride out the season with Flus.  The players HATE Flus at this point and you can see it from their comments reading between the lines.  They lost all respect for him 2 weeks ago and we all know why.  He has to go right now.

8. Who cares? Davis was a terrible signing and a complete waste of money.  He should never see the field again here.

9. Noticed that too--Hicks has been a solid backup

I'm not there. I don't think we win any more. I said it before last weeks game. I thought that would be the last one we won and we couldn't even win that. From here on out, I don't worry about losing. We will lose. I worry about losing CW. And every single game we play from here on out has that potential.

[brasilbear]

Nov 11, 2024 9:21:43 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Nov 11, 2024 8:31:25 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

www.chicagotribune.com/2024/11/11/chicago-bears-brad-biggs-10-thoughts-week-10/

1. Matt Eberflus has a mess on his hands.
2. It was late in the 2004 season and I was walking through the hallway at Halas Hall toward the locker room when an offensive assistant signaled to me.
(Compares this OFF with the Terry Shea OFF from 2004, Lovie's first season. It was bad...Quinn, Kenzel, Grossman...)
3. The Bears’ issues on offense begin on the offensive line and they were in a tough spot Sunday, being so short-handed without the tackles.
4. With nose tackle Andrew Billings out for the remainder of the season following surgery to repair a torn pectoral muscle, the run defense should become a key focus.
5. There is so much wrong with the Bears offense right now that it can be overwhelming trying to figure out where to start.
6. Jaquan Brisker missed his fourth consecutive game and has been out five weeks with a concussion, which is concerning for all involved.
7. Finally, the Bears will dive into action against NFC North opponents with the Green Bay Packers coming to Soldier Field next Sunday.
8. The Bears have gone to lengths to support Nate Davis in the season-and-a-half after signing him to a $30 million, three-year contract in free agency.
9. Kudos to third-year safety Elijah Hicks for doing a solid job filling in for Jaquan Brisker.
10. Carolina walked off the New York Giants on an Eddy Pineiro field goal Sunday morning in Germany, lifting the Panthers to 3-7 as they’ve now won consecutive games.
10a. Weak-side linebacker T.J. Edwards had a game-high 13 tackles (seven solos) with an interception. In 26 games with the Bears, Edwards has four interceptions, nine pass breakups, two forced fumbles and three fumble recoveries. That’s impressive ball production for an off-the-ball linebacker.
10b. Look for more playing time moving forward for defensive end Jacob Martin, who had his second sack of the season.
10c. It looked like Montez Sweat’s shin injury which kept him out of the Arizona game last week flared up Sunday.
10d. The No. 1 Fox crew of Kevin Burkhardt, Tom Brady and Erin Andrews will call the Packers-Bears game from Soldier Field next Sunday.
10e. The Packers, who are coming off a bye, opened as a 6 1/2-point favorite over the Bears at Westgate SuperBook in Las Vegas. The Bears have lost 10 consecutive games to Green Bay.

1. Flus IS the problem.  He sucks as a HC and both OCs he has hired have totally sucked.  Poles made a disastrous decision to stick with him last offseason and its wrecking Williams right now.  It's not f'ing complicated -- Flus and Wal need to be fired TODAY

2. Considering the weapons they have, this is one of the worst offenses I can remember.  

3. Yes, the OL is a problem and Poles owns that until he can address it this offseason.  That still doesn't excuse Flus/Wal for this dumpster fire.  They're getting crushed by bad defenses with no pass rush and still can't scheme up a 6 yard out to get a drive going.

4. Sure, but that's a distant 2nd concern to getting CW stabilized and back on the upswing.  The season is effectively over so CW is all that matters the next 8 games.  I don't care if we lose 31-27 every game.  Just get CW comfortable and ascending again.  **** the defense

5. The starting point is easy.  Replace the HC and OC.  DONE

6. Brisker is in the same boat as Jenkins.  Both are good players that should be allowed to leave in FA when their contracts are up.  Can't pay either one and neither is healthy on a consistent basis.  Sucks, but move on from both.

7. We are gonna get crushed Sunday.  In fact, we will be heavy underdogs in each of the remaining 8 games.  In all honesty, 2-6 is about the best you can hope for and it wouldn't surprise me if we lose all 8 (that would be an 11 game losing streak), especially if they are dumb enough to ride out the season with Flus.  The players HATE Flus at this point and you can see it from their comments reading between the lines.  They lost all respect for him 2 weeks ago and we all know why.  He has to go right now.

8. Who cares? Davis was a terrible signing and a complete waste of money.  He should never see the field again here.

9. Noticed that too--Hicks has been a solid backup

Lets see how long we can keep this format going ha ha ha

1. I think Flus convinced Poles that his DEF could keep games in check while Williams learned how to play QB, and Poles liked it and kept him on. It sounds like a good plan, but, in typical Bears fashion, they screwed up the "while Williams learned how to play QB." He's not playing hero ball, he's not holding the ball long. He literally has no one open and the Bears OL can't block 1 on 1s. Go back and watch the game (if you can stand it.) Every time NE rushed 5 the line completely fell apart. Even when Kmet would chip, his guy was in on the pressure after beating the OT. When you have 5 guys coming from all across the pocket there is no safety valve, no place to step up or away from. Flus has to go.

2. I'm not sure. I saw the Shoop OFF with Jureon. That was a throw short of the sticks and punt OFF. It was bad. They would run on 3rd and long down 2 scores in the 2rd quarter just to play the field position game. That was the worst OFF I've ever seen. This one? Close second. Very close and closing fast.

3. With the injuries the OL has had....I got no words. No team in the NFL has the depth the Bears have needed. Someone said on twitter that the Bears for all there trouble at C had 3 CENTERS playing yesterday. RG-C-LG were all centers. None of that absolves Poles (can I criticize Poles? I mean apparently I'm one of the guys who thinks he's a genius because I haven't harped on him since day 1.)

4. Agree 100%. I don't care if they win another game. But Williams has to trend upward. They can lose very game 36-30, I don't care,

5. Yep. Fire HC and OC and OL coach. 

6. Sucks but move on. So sad but true.

7. Two things could happen on Sunday. Packers win 45-10 and its a complete disaster all the way. I'm talking 12 sacks, 23 yards rushing, 125 net yards passing, etc etc......or Love has a bad game, the DEF scores, Carter scores and the Bears win 20-17 on a 49 yard FG as time expires AND still 12 sacks, 23 yard rushing, 125 net yards passings etc etc. And then Flus will say "We knew we had this in us...."

8. FA is a trap. Same thing is going to happen next offseason with the FAs they sign on the OL. It will be some 28 year old OT who is getting replaced and a 25 year old G who has 8 starts in 4 seasons. The center will be a guy coming off injury who takes a prove it deal and isn't healthy to start camp. Then when Poles takes a S at the to of round 2 and an undersized C in round 3.....the usual suspects will make it impossible to hang out here on the board for weeks on end---and they won't be wrong.

related question: Why do mocks always have the Bears drafting a move TE in like the 3rd round? They don't need a move TE, they need Gs, C, DT, OL....

9. Need that to happen on the OFF side now.

[JABF]

Nov 11, 2024 8:31:25 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

5. There is so much wrong with the Bears offense right now that it can be overwhelming trying to figure out where to start.

They are 3 years into this now - both Poles and Eberflus.  When do you "start" right?  The entire three year work product is what we see on game days.  Let that sink in for a minute.  Three long years and we have this for an offense?  Every single team in the NFL is dealing with injuries at this point of the season.  The Bears went into this season with poor quality starters on the offensive line and the backups were just not that good even for backups.  Add in poor coaching and this is what you get - a 3 point output on offense, even against one of the worst defenses in football.

[brasilbear]

Nov 11, 2024 11:59:36 GMT -6 JABF said:

Nov 11, 2024 8:31:25 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

5. There is so much wrong with the Bears offense right now that it can be overwhelming trying to figure out where to start.

They are 3 years into this now - both Poles and Eberflus.  When do you "start" right?  The entire three year work product is what we see on game days.  Let that sink in for a minute.  Three long years and we have this for an offense?  Every single team in the NFL is dealing with injuries at this point of the season.  The Bears went into this season with poor quality starters on the offensive line and the backups were just not that good even for backups.  Add in poor coaching and this is what you get - a 3 point output on offense, even against one of the worst defenses in football.

But, were we really surprised by yesterday's game? I wasn't. I just don't pound the table over and over on the board so I can "win post." When Flus was resign we knew this would happen no matter what Waldron brought to the table.

[JABF]

Nov 11, 2024 12:02:11 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

Nov 11, 2024 11:59:36 GMT -6 JABF said:

They are 3 years into this now - both Poles and Eberflus.  When do you "start" right?  The entire three year work product is what we see on game days.  Let that sink in for a minute.  Three long years and we have this for an offense?  Every single team in the NFL is dealing with injuries at this point of the season.  The Bears went into this season with poor quality starters on the offensive line and the backups were just not that good even for backups.  Add in poor coaching and this is what you get - a 3 point output on offense, even against one of the worst defenses in football.

But, were we really surprised by yesterday's game? I wasn't. I just don't pound the table over and over on the board so I can "win post." When Flus was resign we knew this would happen no matter what Waldron brought to the table.

Maybe I'm just not too bright, because I never thought it would be this bad.  Caleb Williams, D.J. Moore, Rome Odunze, Keenan Allen & Kmet - and you produce 3 points?  No.  I did not expect it to be that bad here.

[brasilbear]

Nov 11, 2024 12:06:09 GMT -6 JABF said:

Nov 11, 2024 12:02:11 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

But, were we really surprised by yesterday's game? I wasn't. I just don't pound the table over and over on the board so I can "win post." When Flus was resign we knew this would happen no matter what Waldron brought to the table.

Maybe I'm just not too bright, because I never thought it would be this bad.  Caleb Williams, D.J. Moore, Rome Odunze, Keenan Allen & Kmet - and you produce 3 points?  No.  I did not expect it to be that bad here.

No, thats just me crap posting. I expected the OFF to continue the way it was developing before the bye week. But...man it fell off a cliff. IMO thats all on coaching and game planning and play calling. Something happened during the bye and I think it was Flus seeing the playoffs in sight and deciding to Flus it all up.

[shark86]

Nov 11, 2024 12:02:11 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

Nov 11, 2024 11:59:36 GMT -6 JABF said:

They are 3 years into this now - both Poles and Eberflus.  When do you "start" right?  The entire three year work product is what we see on game days.  Let that sink in for a minute.  Three long years and we have this for an offense?  Every single team in the NFL is dealing with injuries at this point of the season.  The Bears went into this season with poor quality starters on the offensive line and the backups were just not that good even for backups.  Add in poor coaching and this is what you get - a 3 point output on offense, even against one of the worst defenses in football.

But, were we really surprised by yesterday's game? I wasn't. I just don't pound the table over and over on the board so I can "win post." When Flus was resign we knew this would happen no matter what Waldron brought to the table.

I wasn't. That's why I put the poll in the upcoming Pats game thread to see what others thought. I expected a win, but was also expecting to lose. Just not as badly as we did. About halfway through the first quarter I told my dogs the season was over. By that time I had thrown the first bagful of popcorn at the TV. From here on out, it's going to be the keystone kops. We have been and will be for the foreseeable future, the laughing stock of the NFL. The team who bad teams come to play and turns them into winners.

And we are the GD founding franchise. We are an embearassment to the NFL. Pathetic. Sad. I not only won't be surprised if we lose out now, I expect it.

It's after noon, why hasn't Waldron been fired yet?

[brasilbear]

What idiot reporter asked if WIlliams is still the starter? Thats what passes for sports media in Chicago.

[Whisky Beer Bob]

Nov 11, 2024 11:59:36 GMT -6 JABF said:

Nov 11, 2024 8:31:25 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

5. There is so much wrong with the Bears offense right now that it can be overwhelming trying to figure out where to start.

The Bears went into this season with poor quality starters on the offensive line and the backups were just not that good even for backups. 

   I am having a really hard time with hatred towards Poles at this time. I am very mad that he let it get this far. But he is no coach and has to listen to his position coach needs, if that is how the needs are relayed.

  Who knows, maybe position coaches requests players for schemes to Flus. Then Flus runs down the hallway, stops to say hi to the caretaker. Looks at the clock and remembers that his favorite Cafeteria meal is on the menu so he wants to get first crack it Mac and Cheese with meatballs in it because.......He is a meatball, they tend to travel together. Shite!!!! he has to relay some info to Poles. Runs down the hallway clutching his grub, stops to see the grass being cut. Such a same to destroy perfectly nice grass, which reminds him to call one of his Daughters about a sudden memory of wanting to be a headcoach while laying in grass and wishing on a falling star. She asks how Poles is.......DAMN!!!! He gets up and runs again. 

  I see this happening a a lot. After finally talking to Poles all he can think of is the guy that was in the front of the ice cream sundae line taking all the smarties and well, This is the type of player we end up on the Oline. A lazy, fat smartie eating MoFo that can't get out of the way of someone trying to get a simple ice cream cone. Of course this person will let the counter staff get by and refill the bins. Much like the Blitzers that seem to come unblocked while the Oline trip up our RB's.

 It is the old kids game of telephone line. Eventually the message is wrong but by that time...What can you do?