Do the Bears have a CW problem?

[bearsinhouston]

Don't shoot the messenger. Personally, I think it's too early. Way too early, but it's starting


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[JABF]

Nick Wright seemed to be reasonable in that video describing the Bears are a mess and yes, it's affecting Caleb.  The other guy seems to be out of touch with reality though trying to say rookie Caleb Williams should overcome the coaching and offensive line problems.  Yeah, right.  

[mrdynamite32]

Nick Wright is correct in that the Bears have a coaching and offensive line problem, but the other guy thinks Caleb should overcome the shortcomings of the coaching and the OL play, which is ridiculous. Sounds to me like the other guy is absolving the coaches and the OL and putting the blame solely on Caleb.

We're seeing yet another Andrew Luck situation playing out before our eyes.

[JABF]

I thought this was a pretty honest and even-handed assessment of Caleb and why he is not doing as well as some of the other 1st round pick QBs in the recent draft.  I was thinking that Daniels has a pretty good guy working with him in Kliff Kingsbury.  Bo Nix has Sean Payton.  Maye seems to be doing well with Alex Van Pelt & the article talks about how Maye has been developed so far.  

Shane Waldron doesn't seem that good so far as an offensive coordinator setting Caleb up for success here.  Anyway the article makes some good points.

LINK
Coaching is the big difference between Caleb Williams and Drake Maye
Both rookies have had less than ideal circumstances in 2024. But the Patriots have done more to shepherd Maye along than the Bears have for Williams.

[shark86]

Nov 11, 2024 20:42:06 GMT -6 JABF said:

I thought this was a pretty honest and even-handed assessment of Caleb and why he is not doing as well as some of the other 1st round pick QBs in the recent draft.  I was thinking that Daniels has a pretty good guy working with him in Kliff Kingsbury.  Bo Nix has Sean Payton.  Maye seems to be doing well with Alex Van Pelt & the article talks about how Maye has been developed so far.  

Shane Waldron doesn't seem that good so far as an offensive coordinator setting Caleb up for success here.  Anyway the article makes some good points.

LINK
Coaching is the big difference between Caleb Williams and Drake Maye
Both rookies have had less than ideal circumstances in 2024. But the Patriots have done more to shepherd Maye along than the Bears have for Williams.

This line from that article hit home with me:

That’s part of why Sunday hurt so much to watch. It wasn’t just about the team losing another game it should’ve dominated on paper. It’s also about seeing another team seemingly get it right with their rookie QB while the Bears ruin the most talented one they’ve ever had. Again.

But of course, we know nothing will really change by the time the Bears show up at Soldier Field next week to get stomped out by the Packers.

[bearsinhouston]

Nov 11, 2024 20:42:06 GMT -6 JABF said:

I thought this was a pretty honest and even-handed assessment of Caleb and why he is not doing as well as some of the other 1st round pick QBs in the recent draft.  I was thinking that Daniels has a pretty good guy working with him in Kliff Kingsbury.  Bo Nix has Sean Payton.  Maye seems to be doing well with Alex Van Pelt & the article talks about how Maye has been developed so far.  

Shane Waldron doesn't seem that good so far as an offensive coordinator setting Caleb up for success here.  Anyway the article makes some good points.

LINK
Coaching is the big difference between Caleb Williams and Drake Maye
Both rookies have had less than ideal circumstances in 2024. But the Patriots have done more to shepherd Maye along than the Bears have for Williams.

Good article, but I am seeing some inconsistencies. Or I am not getting what he is saying

First he says 

"Having watched both teams, though, I can tell you that Maye is far better-coached and better-developed to this point, and much of that has little to do with the play calls or personnel."

Then he says

"The same can be said for Daniels and Nix, who both had offenses tailored to them in ways Williams has not while starting right away."

So play calling is not important. Then it is.

As far as his saying that other QBs benefited from sitting,  have always felt that was a benefit. Teams that successfully develop QBs do this. Now, I am not saying it is the only way. Plenty of examples of QBs that were thrown in and did well. I just think it helps your odds. I mean, you can take a guy that has been boxing for a while and then take a guy that has never boxed but has great potential. I would probably pick the guy that had boxed before to win. Not to say the guy that has never done it before can't or even won't win, but his odds are worse. And he will probably get beat up a lot more along the way as he figures it out.

We have a real serious problem in QB development. We just don't know how to do it and since we don't know how to do it, we don't know how to fix it. Kind of like the guy that does not know how to get to his destination. If you don't know that, you don't know what direction to go to get there. Do you make a left, a right? Go backwards? You have no clue because you have never been there before and don't know how to get there.

I am worried about CW. I really am. Hopefully he won't get hurt. And BTW, I didn't know that about the Pats OL. It sounds like theirs is about as patchwork as ours. But somehow their QB functioned behind it and the held up better. We have all kinds of issues and I am not sure who in FA is going to want to come hereafter we just got exposed as to how clueless our coaches are.

[bearsinhouston]

Nov 11, 2024 21:00:06 GMT -6 shark86 said:

Nov 11, 2024 20:42:06 GMT -6 JABF said:

I thought this was a pretty honest and even-handed assessment of Caleb and why he is not doing as well as some of the other 1st round pick QBs in the recent draft.  I was thinking that Daniels has a pretty good guy working with him in Kliff Kingsbury.  Bo Nix has Sean Payton.  Maye seems to be doing well with Alex Van Pelt & the article talks about how Maye has been developed so far.  

Shane Waldron doesn't seem that good so far as an offensive coordinator setting Caleb up for success here.  Anyway the article makes some good points.

This line from that article hit home with me:

That’s part of why Sunday hurt so much to watch. It wasn’t just about the team losing another game it should’ve dominated on paper. It’s also about seeing another team seemingly get it right with their rookie QB while the Bears ruin the most talented one they’ve ever had. Again.

But of course, we know nothing will really change by the time the Bears show up at Soldier Field next week to get stomped out by the Packers.

And we will

[mpbears68]

Nov 11, 2024 20:42:06 GMT -6 JABF said:

I thought this was a pretty honest and even-handed assessment of Caleb and why he is not doing as well as some of the other 1st round pick QBs in the recent draft.  I was thinking that Daniels has a pretty good guy working with him in Kliff Kingsbury.  Bo Nix has Sean Payton.  Maye seems to be doing well with Alex Van Pelt & the article talks about how Maye has been developed so far.  

Shane Waldron doesn't seem that good so far as an offensive coordinator setting Caleb up for success here.  Anyway the article makes some good points.

LINK
Coaching is the big difference between Caleb Williams and Drake Maye
Both rookies have had less than ideal circumstances in 2024. But the Patriots have done more to shepherd Maye along than the Bears have for Williams.

You all seeing what Sean Peyton is doing with Bo Nix?

Williams is looking worse than every other rookie QB right now because Ryan Poles stuck with Flus when he knew he was drafting a rookie QB.

That's the vast majority of it.

[JABF]

Nov 11, 2024 21:07:04 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

Nov 11, 2024 20:42:06 GMT -6 JABF said:

I thought this was a pretty honest and even-handed assessment of Caleb and why he is not doing as well as some of the other 1st round pick QBs in the recent draft.  I was thinking that Daniels has a pretty good guy working with him in Kliff Kingsbury.  Bo Nix has Sean Payton.  Maye seems to be doing well with Alex Van Pelt & the article talks about how Maye has been developed so far.  

Shane Waldron doesn't seem that good so far as an offensive coordinator setting Caleb up for success here.  Anyway the article makes some good points.

Good article, but I am seeing some inconsistencies. Or I am not getting what he is saying

First he says 

"Having watched both teams, though, I can tell you that Maye is far better-coached and better-developed to this point, and much of that has little to do with the play calls or personnel."

Then he says

"The same can be said for Daniels and Nix, who both had offenses tailored to them in ways Williams has not while starting right away."

So play calling is not important. Then it is.

As far as his saying that other QBs benefited from sitting,  have always felt that was a benefit. Teams that successfully develop QBs do this. Now, I am not saying it is the only way. Plenty of examples of QBs that were thrown in and did well. I just think it helps your odds. I mean, you can take a guy that has been boxing for a while and then take a guy that has never boxed but has great potential. I would probably pick the guy that had boxed before to win. Not to say the guy that has never done it before can't or even won't win, but his odds are worse. And he will probably get beat up a lot more along the way as he figures it out.

We have a real serious problem in QB development. We just don't know how to do it and since we don't know how to do it, we don't know how to fix it. Kind of like the guy that does not know how to get to his destination. If you don't know that, you don't know what direction to go to get there. Do you make a left, a right? Go backwards? You have no clue because you have never been there before and don't know how to get there.

I am worried about CW. I really am. Hopefully he won't get hurt. And BTW, I didn't know that about the Pats OL. It sounds like theirs is about as patchwork as ours. But somehow their QB functioned behind it and the held up better. We have all kinds of issues and I am not sure who in FA is going to want to come hereafter we just got exposed as to how clueless our coaches are.

I agree.  For me it's a lot to process because I figure there are multiple contributing factors.  It's not just one of these factors.  I don't blame the failure on just one of them.  I am also worried about CW.  And what makes me so sick to my stomach is thinking that if the Bears blow this opportunity with a very special quarterback, then they will never get it right.  If Poles and Eberflus can't make this work with Caleb Williams, then they are not good enough to make it work with anyone.  The bottom line is that this is a mess.  Three years in on this and it is a mess.  I think most fans would be fine with Poles if he takes charge and makes changes to get this right before CW is yet another failed quarterback here.  Waldron seems in over his head with a rookie QB development.     

[JABF]

Nov 11, 2024 21:16:47 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Nov 11, 2024 20:42:06 GMT -6 JABF said:

I thought this was a pretty honest and even-handed assessment of Caleb and why he is not doing as well as some of the other 1st round pick QBs in the recent draft.  I was thinking that Daniels has a pretty good guy working with him in Kliff Kingsbury.  Bo Nix has Sean Payton.  Maye seems to be doing well with Alex Van Pelt & the article talks about how Maye has been developed so far.  

Shane Waldron doesn't seem that good so far as an offensive coordinator setting Caleb up for success here.  Anyway the article makes some good points.

You all seeing what Sean Peyton is doing with Bo Nix?

Williams is looking worse than every other rookie QB right now because Ryan Poles stuck with Flus when he knew he was drafting a rookie QB.

That's the vast majority of it.

I had Bo Nix on my fantasy football team as a backup QB and the guy ended up performing great as a starter.  LOL, now I know that's FF, but the guy is a top-10 performing QB in our league.  He is out performing Patrick Mahomes so far, who has not had a typical Patrick Mahomes season so far.   Yes the team is doing great anyway.  Andy Reid and Sean Payton are good coaches.  Coaching matters.