Good breakdown of what was wrong in Pats game

[paytonisgod]

I don't know if any of you are familiar with Tim Jenkins, but he's been doing some really good breakdowns of the tape all year. He's fair and gives criticism to everyone. However, I think it's pretty obvious watching this where the main issue is. Or I guess was now that Waldron is out. It's pretty brutal. 

[bearsinhouston]

He did a good job and it seems like there are MANY issues. The line is an issue but not as persistent as I thought. It seems they do their job on a few of the plays I thought they broke down. Good to have a guy that understands it better explain it. But with this, you understand there are issues you never considered. So who is supposed to be coaching CW on his feet, etc. Some of Waldrons plays looked actually good. Many did not. But there in fact ARE issues with CW that seem to in fact be CW. I'm thinking at this point that he wishes he had real coaches helping him. This really needs to be cleaned out at the end of the season. We need a HC that understand more than Flus does and an OC that gets it and knows better QB coaches to bring in. The whole thing is a cluster and Flus owns it

[paytonisgod]

Nov 12, 2024 16:42:53 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

He did a good job and it seems like there are MANY issues. The line is an issue but not as persistent as I thought. It seems they do their job on a few of the plays I thought they broke down. Good to have a guy that understands it better explain it. But with this, you understand there are issues you never considered. So who is supposed to be coaching CW on his feet, etc. Some of Waldrons plays looked actually good. Many did not. But there in fact ARE issues with CW that seem to in fact be CW. I'm thinking at this point that he wishes he had real coaches helping him. This really needs to be cleaned out at the end of the season. We need a HC that understand more than Flus does and an OC that gets it and knows better QB coaches to bring in. The whole thing is a cluster and Flus owns it

Definitely. CW is a rookie. He's going to make mistakes. It's the job of the coaching staff to help him and put him in a position to succeed. Waldron up to this point makes Luke Getsy look like Bill Walsh. Asking a rookie to bailout your poor game plans and play calls is going is never going to work well. 

Contrast this with Daniels in the Commanders. They have a solid running game and they give him quick easy reads and only occasionally ask him to make tough throws. The last game the Bears didn't average 4 yds/rush and passed it 50% more than we ran it. That's putting a lot on a rookie QB. 

[brasilbear]

Teams now know that if you pass rush or run blitz with the exact same number of rushers as the Bears have blockers AND play man coverage then a few things will happen.

(1) Pass blocking won't hold up as 3-4 OL will get beat at the snap AND there should be a free rusher. Thats a 1.5 second sack
(2) RBs will not find a hole leading to 2-3 yard gains.
(3) WRs won't get separation, man coverage means no hot routes will be open AND Williams has been instructed to take no risks with the ball.

Save yourself the trouble and angst of watching the videos. Sunday is going to be a long day.

[paytonisgod]

Here's another "good" one. 



They get into some of the bizarre route concepts and blocking schemes. 

[JABF]

Nov 13, 2024 8:15:47 GMT -6 paytonisgod said:

Here's another "good" one. 



They get into some of the bizarre route concepts and blocking schemes. 

+1
And my thinking about the next head coach has evolved lately.  I have changed my mind on it.  I have defended the hiring of a defensive-background guy for our head coach.  I did that based on the success of a number of great head coaches over the years who were D coaches.  And I still believe a D background head coach can be good.  But for the Bears I'm thinking we need to get a guy who understands offense if we ever expect to break the curse of bad quarterbacks and bad offenses here.  I say that because Eberflus signed off on some Waldron offense stuff that should never have been allowed here.  I've listened to a number of NFL people - respected people who have played/coached well in the NFL - break down the film for us explaining why the Waldron offense is bad from a scheme point - it was never ever going to work here.  Should a defense minded head coach catch that?  Sure.  But after a lot of failure here on offense spanning years - let's get a HC who knows these things.  Basic offense-101 stuff.  

[mpbears68]

Nov 13, 2024 8:38:53 GMT -6 JABF said:

Nov 13, 2024 8:15:47 GMT -6 paytonisgod said:

Here's another "good" one. 



They get into some of the bizarre route concepts and blocking schemes. 

+1
And my thinking about the next head coach has evolved lately.  I have changed my mind on it.  I have defended the hiring of a defensive-background guy for our head coach.  I did that based on the success of a number of great head coaches over the years who were D coaches.  And I still believe a D background head coach can be good.  But for the Bears I'm thinking we need to get a guy who understands offense if we ever expect to break the curse of bad quarterbacks and bad offenses here.  I say that because Eberflus signed off on some Waldron offense stuff that should never have been allowed here.  I've listened to a number of NFL people - respected people who have played/coached well in the NFL - break down the film for us explaining why the Waldron offense is bad from a scheme point - it was never ever going to work here.  Should a defense minded head coach catch that?  Sure.  But after a lot of failure here on offense spanning years - let's get a HC who knows these things.  Basic offense-101 stuff.  

I heartily disagreed with the decision to stick with Flus last offseason.  You all know the reasons why and I won't repeat them.

However, IF you were gonna stick with him, then it was absolutely paramount to nail the OC choice.  A) Because Flus is from the D side of the ball and B) because CW's development hinged on it.

So, to miss this badly, so badly that the guy you chose failed and got canned only halfway into his first season, is a major disaster.  I'm talking titanic level catastrophe here.  It's one thing for Luke Getsy to get fired after only a 1/2 season as he was with a uncompetitive rebuilding team running out Aiden O'Connell at QB.  It's another thing entirely here where you were expecting to compete for a WC berth and develop the #W1 overall pick in his rookie year.

Just when you thought the Chicago Bears organization couldn't possibly embarrass themselves any further, they now are threatening to wreck the most talented QB they have had in decades, if ever.  Their ineptitude has already squandered his first season, barring a miracle turnaround here which won't happen.

[bearsinhouston]

Nov 13, 2024 9:09:54 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Nov 13, 2024 8:38:53 GMT -6 JABF said:

+1
And my thinking about the next head coach has evolved lately.  I have changed my mind on it.  I have defended the hiring of a defensive-background guy for our head coach.  I did that based on the success of a number of great head coaches over the years who were D coaches.  And I still believe a D background head coach can be good.  But for the Bears I'm thinking we need to get a guy who understands offense if we ever expect to break the curse of bad quarterbacks and bad offenses here.  I say that because Eberflus signed off on some Waldron offense stuff that should never have been allowed here.  I've listened to a number of NFL people - respected people who have played/coached well in the NFL - break down the film for us explaining why the Waldron offense is bad from a scheme point - it was never ever going to work here.  Should a defense minded head coach catch that?  Sure.  But after a lot of failure here on offense spanning years - let's get a HC who knows these things.  Basic offense-101 stuff.  

I heartily disagreed with the decision to stick with Flus last offseason.  You all know the reasons why and I won't repeat them.

However, IF you were gonna stick with him, then it was absolutely paramount to nail the OC choice.  A) Because Flus is from the D side of the ball and B) because CW's development hinged on it.

So, to miss this badly, so badly that the guy you chose failed and got canned only halfway into his first season, is a major disaster.  I'm talking titanic level catastrophe here.  It's one thing for Luke Getsy to get fired after only a 1/2 season as he was with a uncompetitive rebuilding team running out Aiden O'Connell at QB.  It's another thing entirely here where you were expecting to compete for a WC berth and develop the #W1 overall pick in his rookie year.

Just when you thought the Chicago Bears organization couldn't possibly embarrass themselves any further, they now are threatening to wreck the most talented QB they have had in decades, if ever.  Their ineptitude has already squandered his first season, barring a miracle turnaround here which won't happen.

Absolutely true. But to be fair, as much as I dislike Waldron, most of us (well, I can only speak for myself), liked the pick when it happened

[shark86]

Nov 13, 2024 9:33:03 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

Nov 13, 2024 9:09:54 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

I heartily disagreed with the decision to stick with Flus last offseason.  You all know the reasons why and I won't repeat them.

However, IF you were gonna stick with him, then it was absolutely paramount to nail the OC choice.  A) Because Flus is from the D side of the ball and B) because CW's development hinged on it.

So, to miss this badly, so badly that the guy you chose failed and got canned only halfway into his first season, is a major disaster.  I'm talking titanic level catastrophe here.  It's one thing for Luke Getsy to get fired after only a 1/2 season as he was with a uncompetitive rebuilding team running out Aiden O'Connell at QB.  It's another thing entirely here where you were expecting to compete for a WC berth and develop the #W1 overall pick in his rookie year.

Just when you thought the Chicago Bears organization couldn't possibly embarrass themselves any further, they now are threatening to wreck the most talented QB they have had in decades, if ever.  Their ineptitude has already squandered his first season, barring a miracle turnaround here which won't happen.

Absolutely true. But to be fair, as much as I dislike Waldron, most of us (well, I can only speak for myself), liked the pick when it happened

1. Likely improvement over Getsy.

2. Seahawks had a decent offense.

3. As outsiders to the Seahawks fanbase, we didn't know he was horrible.

[mpbears68]

Nov 13, 2024 9:33:03 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

Nov 13, 2024 9:09:54 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

I heartily disagreed with the decision to stick with Flus last offseason.  You all know the reasons why and I won't repeat them.

However, IF you were gonna stick with him, then it was absolutely paramount to nail the OC choice.  A) Because Flus is from the D side of the ball and B) because CW's development hinged on it.

So, to miss this badly, so badly that the guy you chose failed and got canned only halfway into his first season, is a major disaster.  I'm talking titanic level catastrophe here.  It's one thing for Luke Getsy to get fired after only a 1/2 season as he was with a uncompetitive rebuilding team running out Aiden O'Connell at QB.  It's another thing entirely here where you were expecting to compete for a WC berth and develop the #W1 overall pick in his rookie year.

Just when you thought the Chicago Bears organization couldn't possibly embarrass themselves any further, they now are threatening to wreck the most talented QB they have had in decades, if ever.  Their ineptitude has already squandered his first season, barring a miracle turnaround here which won't happen.

Absolutely true. But to be fair, as much as I dislike Waldron, most of us (well, I can only speak for myself), liked the pick when it happened

Most of us thought it was fine too but we aren't privy to all the info.

Now its coming out that there were problems in Seattle with him too--poor communication, couldn't command the room, got "cute" too much.  JSN openly panned Waldron to Hoge at the Combine.  Seattle had no interest in keeping or promoting him. 

These are things we fans don't hear about in the initial press releases and intros but stuff that Poles should have known.  There were similar red flags that leaked out about Nate Davis and his time in Tennessee too (Vrabel reportedly hated him and thought his work ethic was poor).  

Two major black eyes for Ryan Poles there.  I'm not ready to give up on him yet but I admit it is getting harder to stay positive about him.  Too many misses, too few clear "wins" since the Carolina trade.