CHGO: Players' reaction to coach change - encouraging stuff.

[mpbears68]

Nov 14, 2024 6:45:18 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

Nov 13, 2024 22:43:24 GMT -6 JABF said:

That's my focus too at this point.  Maybe you've been (like me) listening to the various ex-players and coaches wade in on Caleb.  Even with a crappy offensive line, there are things Caleb can/should improve in spite of the OL woes.  It won't fix the offense or save our season.  But at least there are things Caleb can work on to improve his game.  I'm hoping the new OC T.Brown can help Caleb to do this successfully.  Some things I'm hearing from multiple sources is that the Bears can commit more to the run game and that will help the OL and Caleb, both.  I keep hearing about setting Caleb up with more layup passes rather than trying to drop back and wait for deeper pass plays... which will get the ball out fast consistently and save wear and tear on CW.  They talk about how Caleb's footwork has deteriorated and that is hurting his passing accuracy - it is why we're seeing the bad throws so often... that is something that can/should be fixed.  My point is that it sure sounds like there are things that can help Caleb and stop the regression and deterioration as the season progresses.  Things that can be done in spite of the level of competition ahead.  Will we win games?  Maybe not, but at least we may see Caleb begin to improve.  That's the focus for me too at this point.  CW improving and at least not getting worse.

The other thing I wondered about is that the players said that Waldron was letting stuff go too easily and was not disciplined enough on players. I might be over analyzing but am wondering if CW was not one of the guys. Not that I doubt he is working hard, but wondering if Waldron was hesitant to push and provide tough love there. I mean I can see CW having more of an A type personality than Waldron and maybe he just didn't want to push, antagonize his wiz kid. Dunno. just MSUing probably.

Marcedes Lewis actually said he wanted to be "coached harder".  And he's an 18 year vet.  Kmet mentioned that some guys seemed to be slacking off in practice.  This was a few weeks ago before things completely fell apart.

So there were warning signs Flus wasn't running a very tight ship.  Reminds me of that Trestman camp when Bennett decked Fuller and the HC just watched from a distance.  Weak leaders breed weak teams.

Who holds the record for worst winning % among Bears HCs?  Cuz Flus may end up taking the crown by the end of this season.

[bearsinhouston]

Nov 14, 2024 8:21:06 GMT -6 bsbears said:

Until Flus is fired I will not be rooting for the Bears. If he lasts the year, Poles and Warren can join him as new names no changes to organization has occurred. I have never been so close to being done with Football. I quit baseball in the 80s when they cancelled world series do to strike and have not watched a game since. The Bears almost have me there with NFL

I quit baseball back when the Cubs looked like they were going to win it all and the Mets ended up winning. I think back around 74 or so.

[bearsinhouston]

Nov 14, 2024 8:33:19 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Nov 14, 2024 6:45:18 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

The other thing I wondered about is that the players said that Waldron was letting stuff go too easily and was not disciplined enough on players. I might be over analyzing but am wondering if CW was not one of the guys. Not that I doubt he is working hard, but wondering if Waldron was hesitant to push and provide tough love there. I mean I can see CW having more of an A type personality than Waldron and maybe he just didn't want to push, antagonize his wiz kid. Dunno. just MSUing probably.

Marcedes Lewis actually said he wanted to be "coached harder".  And he's an 18 year vet.  Kmet mentioned that some guys seemed to be slacking off in practice.  This was a few weeks ago before things completely fell apart.

So there were warning signs Flus wasn't running a very tight ship.  Reminds me of that Trestman camp when Bennett decked Fuller and the HC just watched from a distance.  Weak leaders breed weak teams.

Who holds the record for worst winning % among Bears HCs?  Cuz Flus may end up taking the crown by the end of this season.

Yeah, I see the same mp

[shark86]

Nov 14, 2024 8:33:19 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Nov 14, 2024 6:45:18 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

The other thing I wondered about is that the players said that Waldron was letting stuff go too easily and was not disciplined enough on players. I might be over analyzing but am wondering if CW was not one of the guys. Not that I doubt he is working hard, but wondering if Waldron was hesitant to push and provide tough love there. I mean I can see CW having more of an A type personality than Waldron and maybe he just didn't want to push, antagonize his wiz kid. Dunno. just MSUing probably.

Marcedes Lewis actually said he wanted to be "coached harder".  And he's an 18 year vet.  Kmet mentioned that some guys seemed to be slacking off in practice.  This was a few weeks ago before things completely fell apart.

So there were warning signs Flus wasn't running a very tight ship.  Reminds me of that Trestman camp when Bennett decked Fuller and the HC just watched from a distance.  Weak leaders breed weak teams.

Who holds the record for worst winning % among Bears HCs?  Cuz Flus may end up taking the crown by the end of this season.

Abe Gibron @ 0.268

Flustered is currently at 0.326.

If he loses out the season, he'll be at 0.275, still not the worst record, but he'll beat out OutFoxed John (0.291) for 2nd place.

[bearsinhouston]

Nov 14, 2024 9:02:09 GMT -6 shark86 said:

Nov 14, 2024 8:33:19 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Marcedes Lewis actually said he wanted to be "coached harder".  And he's an 18 year vet.  Kmet mentioned that some guys seemed to be slacking off in practice.  This was a few weeks ago before things completely fell apart.

So there were warning signs Flus wasn't running a very tight ship.  Reminds me of that Trestman camp when Bennett decked Fuller and the HC just watched from a distance.  Weak leaders breed weak teams.

Who holds the record for worst winning % among Bears HCs?  Cuz Flus may end up taking the crown by the end of this season.

Abe Gibron @ 0.268

Flustered is currently at 0.326.

If he loses out the season, he'll be at 0.275, still not the worst record, but he'll beat out OutFoxed John (0.291) for 2nd place.

No, but if poles keeps him another year, I think he takes the brass ring. Funny how most of the crappy coaches have come after Halas. When the nice guy coach thing was more of a focus

[shark86]

FYI, here's my list of Bears head coaches listed by winning %. Flustered's results do not include this season.

[bearsinhouston]

Nov 14, 2024 9:16:40 GMT -6 shark86 said:

FYI, here's my list of Bears head coaches listed by winning %. Flustered's results do not include this season.

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Is that because he has had no results this season?

[shark86]

Nov 14, 2024 10:25:03 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

Nov 14, 2024 9:16:40 GMT -6 shark86 said:

FYI, here's my list of Bears head coaches listed by winning %. Flustered's results do not include this season.

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Is that because he has had no results this season?

Yes.

And because I'm like the Bears - too lazy to update weekly.

[brasilbear]

Nov 13, 2024 17:14:03 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

They keep talking about Brown's play calling creativity. How do you gauge that? He hasn't called anything yet. Are they just blowing smoke up into each others nether regions?

Only thing I can think of is that players know. I read a long time ago or heard (I think it may have been Briggs/Brown) that players know who is sticking around and who isn't--players AND coaches. 

I hope the players know that Waldron is not it and Brown will be different. Don't think it going to matter.

[shark86]

Clarification:

Flus at end of 2023 season was 0.294.

Flus this season so far is 0.444.

Flus overall is currently at 0.326

if he loses out, he'll be at 0.275