Cheeseheads beat Bears - who gets the deflated ball?

[AlexM]

Another heartbreaking loss for Da Bears.
And these hit different last 2 seasons as they hit my kid hard. Startin to feel some weird antagonism to games lately. Cos they are usually L, in more ways than one.

[mpbears68]

Nov 17, 2024 15:51:12 GMT -6 malagabears said:

It's another loss that should be cementing Flus future here. Some questionable calls went against us but in the end an L is an L. The O showed some signs of life & Williams played much better. He is going to have to grow through a very rough buzzsaw coming up. I only see 1 maybe 2 possible wins. That means 5-12 or 6-11 which should be enough for a top 10 pick, or a shot at one of the top tackles.

Yeah, I agree.  This L finishes Flus.  He's done.  Should have been gone last winter but this ices it.  He had to win today to have a shot at keeping his job.  A W today maybe sparks the team to a few more wins and Flus needed to show he could beat good teams.  He clearly can't.

After a completely deflating loss like this, any real shot at the POs is now over and the team is gonna pack it in.  The players see what we all see--this guy isn't a HC who is gonna take a team on a playoff run.

Flus completely choked at the end of the game for the umpteenth time and wasted a heroic effort by Williams and Odunze there.  I don't understand why he wasted a TO after failing to draw them offsides rather than just taking the DOG penalty and kicking.  I really really don't understand why we didn't get at least one, maybe two, more plays off before the final FG attempt.  It was 2nd down and you had a TO to spare (two if you didn't waste one earlier).  

Just another example of Flus choking late in the game like he has so many times before.  He is the Ned Flanders of NFL HCs.  Probably a nice guy but is unintelligent and has zero killer instinct or strategic talent.  Other than turtling up and getting trucked in the 4th Q, he does nothing particularly well.  

Flus is now 2-11 in division and one of those wins was against Josh Dobbs playing as backup QB. 

There is zero excuses left, even in the twisted world of Bears management where mediocrity is over-tolerated, to keep this guy.  As usual for this franchise, he will be fired a year too late.

[shortfacedbear]

I don't expect a great hire after the season. They can just tank already. Not to be nilhistic but that's where I see it until the 101 year owner sells the team and takes the relatives with her

[JABF]

Nov 17, 2024 15:15:18 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

Nov 17, 2024 15:13:54 GMT -6 bears40 said:

How Flus can screw this up is beyond me and Santos missing such an important kick for the team is a major disappointment.

He didn't miss it. It was blocked. You can say he should have arced it higher and you can say the line should have kept the pressure back. Either would be true. Just sucks. We had that game

The bottom line is we lost.  It's what we do.  Losers lose and winners win.  We are losers.  

[JABF]

Nov 17, 2024 16:21:18 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

I really really don't understand why we didn't get at least one, maybe two, more plays off before the final FG attempt.  It was 2nd down and you had a TO to spare (two if you didn't waste one earlier).  

It is a continuation of what we have watched on gamedays with this present coaching staff.  The in-game decision making is poor.  This is just one more thing that separates the better coaches from the lessor ones.  It's like their thinking is screwed up in the moment.  They can't process quickly and make basic football decisions realtime.

But yeah, it made me sick to watch them piss away another game like that... it was very much like the Washington game at the end.  Those poor decisions cost games.  

[davidl]

Nov 17, 2024 16:21:18 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Nov 17, 2024 15:51:12 GMT -6 malagabears said:

It's another loss that should be cementing Flus future here. Some questionable calls went against us but in the end an L is an L. The O showed some signs of life & Williams played much better. He is going to have to grow through a very rough buzzsaw coming up. I only see 1 maybe 2 possible wins. That means 5-12 or 6-11 which should be enough for a top 10 pick, or a shot at one of the top tackles.

Yeah, I agree.  This L finishes Flus.  He's done.  Should have been gone last winter but this ices it.  He had to win today to have a shot at keeping his job.  A W today maybe sparks the team to a few more wins and Flus needed to show he could beat good teams.  He clearly can't.

After a completely deflating loss like this, any real shot at the POs is now over and the team is gonna pack it in.  The players see what we all see--this guy isn't a HC who is gonna take a team on a playoff run.

Flus completely choked at the end of the game for the umpteenth time and wasted a heroic effort by Williams and Odunze there.  I don't understand why he wasted a TO after failing to draw them offsides rather than just taking the DOG penalty and kicking.  I really really don't understand why we didn't get at least one, maybe two, more plays off before the final FG attempt.  It was 2nd down and you had a TO to spare (two if you didn't waste one earlier).  

Just another example of Flus choking late in the game like he has so many times before.  He is the Ned Flanders of NFL HCs.  Probably a nice guy but is unintelligent and has zero killer instinct or strategic talent.  Other than turtling up and getting trucked in the 4th Q, he does nothing particularly well.  

Flus is now 2-11 in division and one of those wins was against Josh Dobbs playing as backup QB. 

There is zero excuses left, even in the twisted world of Bears management where mediocrity is over-tolerated, to keep this guy.  As usual for this franchise, he will be fired a year too late.

Yeah, Flus is good as gone.  

I know you say Poles gets to hire another BAD coach.  That’s supposed to be some kind of unwritten rule. Why? I say if you’re bad at your job (hiring coaches, free agents, and draftees), you deserve to lose your job. McCaskey said W-L is his yardstick.  We shall see.

[mpbears68]

Nov 17, 2024 16:41:26 GMT -6 JABF said:

Nov 17, 2024 15:15:18 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

He didn't miss it. It was blocked. You can say he should have arced it higher and you can say the line should have kept the pressure back. Either would be true. Just sucks. We had that game

The bottom line is we lost.  It's what we do.  Losers lose and winners win.  We are losers.  

Our HC coaches like a loser and that's why he is one.  

There is a distinct lack of BALLS in this teams management, top to bottom.  

    Flus is a pussy.  He acts like one, players have all but said he runs practice like one, and he coaches like one in the 4th Q of close games.

    Ryan Poles is a pussy.  He kept this guy and entrusted a #1 pick QB to him despite zero evidence he was the guy to develop a QB or hire a good OC.

    George is a pussy.  He hires only yes-men, nice-guy coaches and won't spend the money necessary to correct mistakes and bring in top-tier coaching talent.


Please don't tell me Poles or Warren couldn't have done anything differently.  Keeping this staff for year 3 when you knew you were drafting a new QB at #1 overall was utterly moronic.  And if George and Teddy balked at eating an extra year of contract, my response is: "you hired me to win games and this is how we win more games.  It's Flus or me.  I'll resign immediately if you force a HC on me I don't think is right." 

End.  It's as simple as that.

But no one does that in this organization.  Everyone is just too comfortable collecting their next check.

BALLS!

Does anyone have any balls in this organization?

[mpbears68]

Nov 17, 2024 16:50:51 GMT -6 JABF said:

Nov 17, 2024 16:21:18 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

I really really don't understand why we didn't get at least one, maybe two, more plays off before the final FG attempt.  It was 2nd down and you had a TO to spare (two if you didn't waste one earlier).  

It is a continuation of what we have watched on gamedays with this present coaching staff.  The in-game decision making is poor.  This is just one more thing that separates the better coaches from the lessor ones.  It's like their thinking is screwed up in the moment.  They can't process quickly and make basic football decisions realtime.

But yeah, it made me sick to watch them piss away another game like that... it was very much like the Washington game at the end.  Those poor decisions cost games.  

Hoge just pointed out that Trestman and Nagy both also eff'd up end of game FG attempts too.  Lotta frightened children masquerading as HCs.

[Whisky Beer Bob]

It's the way she goes boys! The way she goes.

[JABF]

Nov 17, 2024 17:06:24 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Nov 17, 2024 16:50:51 GMT -6 JABF said:

It is a continuation of what we have watched on gamedays with this present coaching staff.  The in-game decision making is poor.  This is just one more thing that separates the better coaches from the lessor ones.  It's like their thinking is screwed up in the moment.  They can't process quickly and make basic football decisions realtime.

But yeah, it made me sick to watch them piss away another game like that... it was very much like the Washington game at the end.  Those poor decisions cost games.  

Hoge just pointed out that Trestman and Nagy both also eff'd up end of game FG attempts too.  Lotta frightened children masquerading as HCs.

Today so reminded me of the Washington game where fatal late-game decisions set up the Hail Mary loss.  Those plays matter.  As we have seen it is the difference between winning and losing.  The players deserve better than that.  The fans do too.  Because those moments in games are not complicated.  It's really pretty black-and-white coaching 101 stuff.  My heart sank when the Bears didn't use those last couple of plays to seal the deal for the win.  It was the Hail Mary debacle all over again.