Decision Looms on Pernell McPhee.................

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Aug 30, 2016 15:30:38 GMT -6 4dabers said:

Whow, whow, whow, who said anything about micro fracture surgery? We're all getting down on Fox for possibly not giving the full story then all of a sudden a totally different ailment is just thrown out there and it's gobbled up by everyone. Isn't assuming a completely different injury about as bad as not giving the full story.  Am I missing something here? 

Fellas, it'll be OK, take a deep breath.  Even if they put him on the PUP list, it's not the end of the world, it's only 6 weeks.  I would rather have him come back with 10 weeks remaining and fully healthy than come back too early and screw it up again. 

As far as the quote from Willy Young, you don't know what his frame of reference is.  he could have been referring to an injury and surgical technology from back in the 70's or 80's where simple torn carteledge could have easily been career threatening.  It's impossible to know what he really meant without knowing how far back he was thinking.

Everyone go have a beer.   

OK, but I'm out so I'm on my way over.  Should be there by Happy Hour tomorrow.

I think we're reaching the "if it walks like a duck, and quacks like duck" kind of stage here as far as McPhee's injury and surgery goes.  Fuller is having his knee scoped and they're talking about him being ready to play within a few more weeks.  Even as early as the opener or at most a week or two after.  That may be a little quicker than average but it's not completely uncommon if it's not too serious or at least not based on my own experiences with it many years ago even.

But with a micro fracture surgery, if you read through and follow the proscribed rehab being suggested, the recovery time is more typically 3 months.  Based on that he would have been good to go by June and maybe even participated in the OTAs then.  We're well beyond that now and beyond camp and 3/4 of the preseason and he's still not ready to go and more likely than not will be placed on the PUP.  All I'm saying is that doesn't compute when matched with what was said earlier about him having a "routine" procedure to clean up some minor issues that cost him time and performance last year.

I'll take the blame for starting the thought or rumor about micro fracture surgery but it's based on more than just a wild guess.  It's what's only considered if there's a more serious and chronic condition that needs to be treated and the scuttlebutt that Baltimore was aware that such a condition existed before allowing McPhee to become a UFA plays into this as well.  Once you begin adding up rumors couple with facts it's not much of a stretch to come to the conclusion I have as at least one possibility and Willie Young's comment comes from someone who knows what it's like to rehab and recover from a potentially career ending injury.

Anyway, do I need to bring my own chilled mug or will you have one for me?

[blueshoes]

Aug 30, 2016 18:57:54 GMT -6 @soulman said:

Aug 30, 2016 15:30:38 GMT -6 4dabers said:

Whow, whow, whow, who said anything about micro fracture surgery? We're all getting down on Fox for possibly not giving the full story then all of a sudden a totally different ailment is just thrown out there and it's gobbled up by everyone. Isn't assuming a completely different injury about as bad as not giving the full story.  Am I missing something here? 

Fellas, it'll be OK, take a deep breath.  Even if they put him on the PUP list, it's not the end of the world, it's only 6 weeks.  I would rather have him come back with 10 weeks remaining and fully healthy than come back too early and screw it up again. 

As far as the quote from Willy Young, you don't know what his frame of reference is.  he could have been referring to an injury and surgical technology from back in the 70's or 80's where simple torn carteledge could have easily been career threatening.  It's impossible to know what he really meant without knowing how far back he was thinking.

Everyone go have a beer.   

OK, but I'm out so I'm on my way over.  Should be there by Happy Hour tomorrow.

I think we're reaching the "if it walks like a duck, and quacks like duck" kind of stage here as far as McPhee's injury and surgery goes.  Fuller is having his knee scoped and they're talking about him being ready to play within a few more weeks.  Even as early as the opener or at most a week or two after.  That may be a little quicker than average but it's not completely uncommon if it's not too serious or at least not based on my own experiences with it many years ago even.

But with a micro fracture surgery, if you read through and follow the proscribed rehab being suggested, the recovery time is more typically 3 months.  Based on that he would have been good to go by June and maybe even participated in the OTAs then.  We're well beyond that now and beyond camp and 3/4 of the preseason and he's still not ready to go and more likely than not will be placed on the PUP.  All I'm saying is that doesn't compute when matched with what was said earlier about him having a "routine" procedure to clean up some minor issues that cost him time and performance last year.

I'll take the blame for starting the thought or rumor about micro fracture surgery but it's based on more than just a wild guess.  It's what's only considered if there's a more serious and chronic condition that needs to be treated and the scuttlebutt that Baltimore was aware that such a condition existed before allowing McPhee to become a UFA plays into this as well.  Once you begin adding up rumors couple with facts it's not much of a stretch to come to the conclusion I have as at least one possibility and Willie Young's comment comes from someone who knows what it's like to rehab and recover from a potentially career ending injury.

Anyway, do I need to bring my own chilled mug or will you have one for me?

I have a question : when a player hits FA does his last team have any obligation to divulge to interested teams the injury info they have acquired ? or is it up to the potential new teams team doctors to uncover it ?

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Aug 30, 2016 20:52:51 GMT -6 blueshoes said:

Aug 30, 2016 18:57:54 GMT -6 @soulman said:

OK, but I'm out so I'm on my way over.  Should be there by Happy Hour tomorrow.

I think we're reaching the "if it walks like a duck, and quacks like duck" kind of stage here as far as McPhee's injury and surgery goes.  Fuller is having his knee scoped and they're talking about him being ready to play within a few more weeks.  Even as early as the opener or at most a week or two after.  That may be a little quicker than average but it's not completely uncommon if it's not too serious or at least not based on my own experiences with it many years ago even.

But with a micro fracture surgery, if you read through and follow the proscribed rehab being suggested, the recovery time is more typically 3 months.  Based on that he would have been good to go by June and maybe even participated in the OTAs then.  We're well beyond that now and beyond camp and 3/4 of the preseason and he's still not ready to go and more likely than not will be placed on the PUP.  All I'm saying is that doesn't compute when matched with what was said earlier about him having a "routine" procedure to clean up some minor issues that cost him time and performance last year.

I'll take the blame for starting the thought or rumor about micro fracture surgery but it's based on more than just a wild guess.  It's what's only considered if there's a more serious and chronic condition that needs to be treated and the scuttlebutt that Baltimore was aware that such a condition existed before allowing McPhee to become a UFA plays into this as well.  Once you begin adding up rumors couple with facts it's not much of a stretch to come to the conclusion I have as at least one possibility and Willie Young's comment comes from someone who knows what it's like to rehab and recover from a potentially career ending injury.

Anyway, do I need to bring my own chilled mug or will you have one for me?

I have a question : when a player hits FA does his last team have any obligation to divulge to interested teams the injury info they have acquired ? or is it up to the potential new teams team doctors to uncover it ?

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It's strictly caveat emptor blue but I think most teams are aware if a player does have some serious medical issues.  If Pace had any concerns before leaping I'd think he would have had him evaluated but that's something else we don't know currently either.  Did he or didn't he?

I may be way off base with my guesswork so I'll lay back and see how it comes out in the wash.  All I know is if he starts the season on the PUP whatever the problem is would be more severe than originally thought or planned for and we'll always be the last to know right after the Chicago media.

[4dabers]

Aug 30, 2016 18:57:54 GMT -6 @soulman said:

Aug 30, 2016 15:30:38 GMT -6 4dabers said:

Whow, whow, whow, who said anything about micro fracture surgery? We're all getting down on Fox for possibly not giving the full story then all of a sudden a totally different ailment is just thrown out there and it's gobbled up by everyone. Isn't assuming a completely different injury about as bad as not giving the full story.  Am I missing something here? 

Fellas, it'll be OK, take a deep breath.  Even if they put him on the PUP list, it's not the end of the world, it's only 6 weeks.  I would rather have him come back with 10 weeks remaining and fully healthy than come back too early and screw it up again. 

As far as the quote from Willy Young, you don't know what his frame of reference is.  he could have been referring to an injury and surgical technology from back in the 70's or 80's where simple torn carteledge could have easily been career threatening.  It's impossible to know what he really meant without knowing how far back he was thinking.

Everyone go have a beer.   

OK, but I'm out so I'm on my way over.  Should be there by Happy Hour tomorrow.

I think we're reaching the "if it walks like a duck, and quacks like duck" kind of stage here as far as McPhee's injury and surgery goes.  Fuller is having his knee scoped and they're talking about him being ready to play within a few more weeks.  Even as early as the opener or at most a week or two after.  That may be a little quicker than average but it's not completely uncommon if it's not too serious or at least not based on my own experiences with it many years ago even.

But with a micro fracture surgery, if you read through and follow the proscribed rehab being suggested, the recovery time is more typically 3 months.  Based on that he would have been good to go by June and maybe even participated in the OTAs then.  We're well beyond that now and beyond camp and 3/4 of the preseason and he's still not ready to go and more likely than not will be placed on the PUP.  All I'm saying is that doesn't compute when matched with what was said earlier about him having a "routine" procedure to clean up some minor issues that cost him time and performance last year.

I'll take the blame for starting the thought or rumor about micro fracture surgery but it's based on more than just a wild guess.  It's what's only considered if there's a more serious and chronic condition that needs to be treated and the scuttlebutt that Baltimore was aware that such a condition existed before allowing McPhee to become a UFA plays into this as well.  Once you begin adding up rumors couple with facts it's not much of a stretch to come to the conclusion I have as at least one possibility and Willie Young's comment comes from someone who knows what it's like to rehab and recover from a potentially career ending injury.

Anyway, do I need to bring my own chilled mug or will you have one for me?

Therein lies the answer to the part where I asked "am I missing something?".  Obviously I was as I knew nothing about the rumors from Baltimore.  On a more serious note, I ALWAYS have enough chilled mugs for you bozo's!  If you want anything else, you need to bring your own Colorado stock.   

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Aug 31, 2016 8:43:44 GMT -6 4dabers said:

Aug 30, 2016 18:57:54 GMT -6 @soulman said:

OK, but I'm out so I'm on my way over.  Should be there by Happy Hour tomorrow.

I think we're reaching the "if it walks like a duck, and quacks like duck" kind of stage here as far as McPhee's injury and surgery goes.  Fuller is having his knee scoped and they're talking about him being ready to play within a few more weeks.  Even as early as the opener or at most a week or two after.  That may be a little quicker than average but it's not completely uncommon if it's not too serious or at least not based on my own experiences with it many years ago even.

But with a micro fracture surgery, if you read through and follow the proscribed rehab being suggested, the recovery time is more typically 3 months.  Based on that he would have been good to go by June and maybe even participated in the OTAs then.  We're well beyond that now and beyond camp and 3/4 of the preseason and he's still not ready to go and more likely than not will be placed on the PUP.  All I'm saying is that doesn't compute when matched with what was said earlier about him having a "routine" procedure to clean up some minor issues that cost him time and performance last year.

I'll take the blame for starting the thought or rumor about micro fracture surgery but it's based on more than just a wild guess.  It's what's only considered if there's a more serious and chronic condition that needs to be treated and the scuttlebutt that Baltimore was aware that such a condition existed before allowing McPhee to become a UFA plays into this as well.  Once you begin adding up rumors couple with facts it's not much of a stretch to come to the conclusion I have as at least one possibility and Willie Young's comment comes from someone who knows what it's like to rehab and recover from a potentially career ending injury.

Anyway, do I need to bring my own chilled mug or will you have one for me?

Therein lies the answer to the part where I asked "am I missing something?".  Obviously I was as I knew nothing about the rumors from Baltimore.  On a more serious note, I ALWAYS have enough chilled mugs for you bozo's!  If you want anything else, you need to bring your own Colorado stock.  

That's good because it might have been hard to keep it chilled that long even with some cold paks.

From all that I can see or have learned (and it ain't all that much) Baltimore elected to keep Dumervil and Suggs over McPhee even though both are significantly older.  Granted what we paid McPhee would have been pricey to them for only a rotational player but overall McPhee wasn't that costly for an OLB who can rush and I don't think he was that heavily pursued either.  Based on that I believe the knowledge of a potential career shortening condition was known to most everyone including us.

We gambled anyway and now we're about to see whether we win or lose that bet.