ESPN's winners and losers of pre season

[riczaj01]

www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/246079/winners-and-losers-of-the-2017-nfl-preseason


Los Angeles NFL fandom: Many have wondered whether the Los Angeles market would support two franchises after getting along just fine without even one for 21 years. How much interest would the Chargers generate in their debut season? And what about the Rams, whose weekly attendance had plummeted at the end of last season? The preseason numbers, at least, are gory. The Chargers drew 21,054 to their first game at StubHub Center (of a capacity around 27,000) and 21,197 for their second. The Rams reported attendance of 58,561 for a Week 3 game that featured both Los Angeles teams, at the Coliseum. (The Rams drew 62,880 in Week 1 when hosting the Cowboys.) It doesn't help that neither team is projected to be among the league's elite. But it's fairly clear that the Rams' honeymoon is over -- and the Chargers might never get one.


Color me NOT surprised that LA isn't the NFL bastion so many hoped/claimed it would be.  It's not an NFL town, and the most they can hope for is to have one of the 2 teams be in contention for a few years b/c the fanbase is at least frontrunners. 

[dachuckster]

Aug 30, 2017 13:18:04 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/246079/winners-and-losers-of-the-2017-nfl-preseason


Los Angeles NFL fandom: Many have wondered whether the Los Angeles market would support two franchises after getting along just fine without even one for 21 years. How much interest would the Chargers generate in their debut season? And what about the Rams, whose weekly attendance had plummeted at the end of last season? The preseason numbers, at least, are gory. The Chargers drew 21,054 to their first game at StubHub Center (of a capacity around 27,000) and 21,197 for their second. The Rams reported attendance of 58,561 for a Week 3 game that featured both Los Angeles teams, at the Coliseum. (The Rams drew 62,880 in Week 1 when hosting the Cowboys.) It doesn't help that neither team is projected to be among the league's elite. But it's fairly clear that the Rams' honeymoon is over -- and the Chargers might never get one.


Color me NOT surprised that LA isn't the NFL bastion so many hoped/claimed it would be.  It's not an NFL town, and the most they can hope for is to have one of the 2 teams be in contention for a few years b/c the fanbase is at least frontrunners. 

I don't disagree with your assessment of LA as not a football town, or at least not a "NFL bastion".  But the Ram's attendance problems really go back to their move to St Louis.  St Louis is basically a baseball town.  There are the Cardinals and then everyone else.

When my son went away to school in St Louis about 10 years ago, I found that I could get really prime seats to both the Rams and the Blues off any of the ticket sites for half of what it would cost me in Chicago for a Hawks or a Bears ticket, and often less than a half.  

When Stan Kroenke bought a controlling interest in the team from the estate of Georgia Frontiere, he made it obvious that he would move the team if he didn't see a better return on tickets, franchising, etc.  When that happened, fan interest really tanked and it was just a matter of time before they moved.  

If anybody can make it work in LA it will be Kroenke.  He a smart businessman and from what I can piece together he will totally leave the operations of any team he owns to the professionals as long as it is at least marginally profitable.  Kroenke owns the Denver Nuggets, Colorado Avalanche and the English soccer team FC Arsenal (as well as several minor league teams).  

[AlexM]

Aug 30, 2017 14:11:19 GMT -6 dachuckster said:

Aug 30, 2017 13:18:04 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/246079/winners-and-losers-of-the-2017-nfl-preseason


Los Angeles NFL fandom: Many have wondered whether the Los Angeles market would support two franchises after getting along just fine without even one for 21 years. How much interest would the Chargers generate in their debut season? And what about the Rams, whose weekly attendance had plummeted at the end of last season? The preseason numbers, at least, are gory. The Chargers drew 21,054 to their first game at StubHub Center (of a capacity around 27,000) and 21,197 for their second. The Rams reported attendance of 58,561 for a Week 3 game that featured both Los Angeles teams, at the Coliseum. (The Rams drew 62,880 in Week 1 when hosting the Cowboys.) It doesn't help that neither team is projected to be among the league's elite. But it's fairly clear that the Rams' honeymoon is over -- and the Chargers might never get one.


Color me NOT surprised that LA isn't the NFL bastion so many hoped/claimed it would be.  It's not an NFL town, and the most they can hope for is to have one of the 2 teams be in contention for a few years b/c the fanbase is at least frontrunners. 

I don't disagree with your assessment of LA as not a football town, or at least not a "NFL bastion".  But the Ram's attendance problems really go back to their move to St Louis.  St Louis is basically a baseball town.  There are the Cardinals and then everyone else.

When my son went away to school in St Louis about 10 years ago, I found that I could get really prime seats to both the Rams and the Blues off any of the ticket sites for half of what it would cost me in Chicago for a Hawks or a Bears ticket, and often less than a half.  

When Stan Kroenke bought a controlling interest in the team from the estate of Georgia Frontiere, he made it obvious that he would move the team if he didn't see a better return on tickets, franchising, etc.  When that happened, fan interest really tanked and it was just a matter of time before they moved.  

If anybody can make it work in LA it will be Kroenke.  He a smart businessman and from what I can piece together he will totally leave the operations of any team he owns to the professionals as long as it is at least marginally profitable.  Kroenke owns the Denver Nuggets, Colorado Avalanche and the English soccer team FC Arsenal (as well as several minor league teams).  

Wish he would leave Arsenal...

[dachuckster]

Aug 31, 2017 8:36:45 GMT -6 AlexM said:

Aug 30, 2017 14:11:19 GMT -6 dachuckster said:

I don't disagree with your assessment of LA as not a football town, or at least not a "NFL bastion".  But the Ram's attendance problems really go back to their move to St Louis.  St Louis is basically a baseball town.  There are the Cardinals and then everyone else.

When my son went away to school in St Louis about 10 years ago, I found that I could get really prime seats to both the Rams and the Blues off any of the ticket sites for half of what it would cost me in Chicago for a Hawks or a Bears ticket, and often less than a half.  

When Stan Kroenke bought a controlling interest in the team from the estate of Georgia Frontiere, he made it obvious that he would move the team if he didn't see a better return on tickets, franchising, etc.  When that happened, fan interest really tanked and it was just a matter of time before they moved.  

If anybody can make it work in LA it will be Kroenke.  He a smart businessman and from what I can piece together he will totally leave the operations of any team he owns to the professionals as long as it is at least marginally profitable.  Kroenke owns the Denver Nuggets, Colorado Avalanche and the English soccer team FC Arsenal (as well as several minor league teams).  

Wish he would leave Arsenal...

Not to go too off topic ... But, is he causing problems there?  I believe he is not the overall owner but the largest stockholder.

[AlexM]

Aug 31, 2017 8:47:10 GMT -6 dachuckster said:

Aug 31, 2017 8:36:45 GMT -6 AlexM said:

Wish he would leave Arsenal...

Not to go too off topic ... But, is he causing problems there?  I believe he is not the overall owner but the largest stockholder.

Well... lets just say they are a cheap bunch of ****ers...