How much should Chicago Bears pay for Jimmy Garoppolo?

[omc1969]

I think we have to realize that all these holes cannot be fixed at once and the last two administrations have set the team back at least 5 years. It's tough to be patient but there is no easy fix. Pace needs to hit a couple of home runs in the draft and the coaching staff needs to get with the program as well. A little luck wouldn't hurt either. Just sayin'.

[AlexM]

Sept 15, 2016 7:58:54 GMT -6 JABF said:

Sept 14, 2016 21:43:27 GMT -6 @soulman said:

Well Mac was anything but a game manager and he loved to drive Ditka crazy with audibles.  Let's just say as average as his arm may have been his brain and football intellect were not average. He had a better offensive mind than Ditka did and he wasn't afraid to use it.  Few if any NFL QBs today would dare challenge their HC as much as he did Ditka.  Mac knew how to win.

I still watch those old games that have McMahon as out QB.  No joke, I've watched them hundreds of times (I originally recorded them on my olld Betamax recorder, but now have them on DVD).  McMahon didn't have a rocket arm, and he seemed to be playing with injuries a lot (he still played through a lot of injuries).  He didn't have "wow" numbers either.  But he was a smart QB.  He was an incredible leader.  You'd think Payton would have been the leader but it was McMahon, when he came on the field, you could tell he lifted up the offense (and when Steve Fuller was playing instead of McMahon, it was a very different vibe).

McMahon's best assets as a QB were:

1.  A fantastic offensive line.  I still love watching that OL play in the old videos.  Poetry in motion.  Men against boys in games.
2.  A running game that opposing defenses had to gameplan for... or downright fear.  

Our present Bears team has neither.  

BETAMAX.... so, you were one of those guys?!

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yesterday at 7:50am justanotherbearsfan9 said:

One other thought I had this morning is that until we fix the OL here in Chicago, it really doesn't matter who plays QB. They are dead men. The OL affects our run-game as well as our passing-game. Hopefully the OL will get better. Although I don't know what they are going to do with the Massie problem. I don't know that he can get better.

I hope we get a QB in the draft. Until then, let Cutler be the "designated punching bag" for the team. When he goes down this year to injury, then trot out Brian Hoyer to take his turn/beatings.


This is pretty much what I've been saying to the Cutler critics all along.   JA invested in a franchise level QB but he and Emery failed to put a franchise level team around him and also saddled him with an ever changing array of OCs and offenses to learn. 

He's gone from the Turner/WCO to a Martz/Air Coryell to a Tice/Hester Package to a Trestman/Schizoid Package I can't even come close to describing the roots of since year two looked nothing like year one.  Hell by now Cutler should be able to run any NFL offense ever conceived of.

If we had Aaron Rodger or Tom Brady running those offenses I'm not saying they may not have done better but I am saying they would not have done much better.  Not with the OL and receivers we had until more recently and then both would still have needed enough protection to be able to use them effectively.  Shoot Brady would have left the game crying and retired before he'd ever have taken the abuse Cutler has.

[JABF]

Sept 15, 2016 9:39:12 GMT -6 AlexM said:

Sept 15, 2016 7:58:54 GMT -6 JABF said:

I still watch those old games that have McMahon as out QB.  No joke, I've watched them hundreds of times (I originally recorded them on my olld Betamax recorder, but now have them on DVD).  McMahon didn't have a rocket arm, and he seemed to be playing with injuries a lot (he still played through a lot of injuries).  He didn't have "wow" numbers either.  But he was a smart QB.  He was an incredible leader.  You'd think Payton would have been the leader but it was McMahon, when he came on the field, you could tell he lifted up the offense (and when Steve Fuller was playing instead of McMahon, it was a very different vibe).

McMahon's best assets as a QB were:

1.  A fantastic offensive line.  I still love watching that OL play in the old videos.  Poetry in motion.  Men against boys in games.
2.  A running game that opposing defenses had to gameplan for... or downright fear.  

Our present Bears team has neither.  

BETAMAX.... so, you were one of those guys?!

Even back then I couldn't get it right.  I thought Betamax was the way of the future :-)

[AlexM]

Sept 15, 2016 13:48:26 GMT -6 JABF said:

Sept 15, 2016 9:39:12 GMT -6 AlexM said:

BETAMAX.... so, you were one of those guys?!

Even back then I couldn't get it right.  I thought Betamax was the way of the future :-)

You bet on the wrong one... just like Da Bears

[JABF]

Sept 15, 2016 11:50:05 GMT -6 @soulman said:

justanotherbearsfan9 Avatar
yesterday at 7:50am justanotherbearsfan9 said:

One other thought I had this morning is that until we fix the OL here in Chicago, it really doesn't matter who plays QB. They are dead men. The OL affects our run-game as well as our passing-game. Hopefully the OL will get better. Although I don't know what they are going to do with the Massie problem. I don't know that he can get better.

I hope we get a QB in the draft. Until then, let Cutler be the "designated punching bag" for the team. When he goes down this year to injury, then trot out Brian Hoyer to take his turn/beatings.


This is pretty much what I've been saying to the Cutler critics all along.   JA invested in a franchise level QB but he and Emery failed to put a franchise level team around him and also saddled him with an ever changing array of OCs and offenses to learn. 

He's gone from the Turner/WCO to a Martz/Air Coryell to a Tice/Hester Package to a Trestman/Schizoid Package I can't even come close to describing the roots of since year two looked nothing like year one.  Hell by now Cutler should be able to run any NFL offense ever conceived of.

If we had Aaron Rodger or Tom Brady running those offenses I'm not saying they may not have done better but I am saying they would not have done much better.  Not with the OL and receivers we had until more recently and then both would still have needed enough protection to be able to use them effectively.  Shoot Brady would have left the game crying and retired before he'd ever have taken the abuse Cutler has.

+1
I just keep thinking that we need to get the OL situation figured out so we can protect Cutler and whomever we bring on for the post-Cutler era.  I'm not saying anything bad about Cutler, but rather wanting the team (for once) to be thinking ahead before we are in a full-blown crisis mode.  Be pro-active.  I actually like the fact that New England has a great vet QB - and also - they have a youngster learning his craft too.  Next season Tom Brady will be in his 40's.  But it's not a worry.  They have the next guy waiting in the wings to step in whenever Brady pulls the plug on his career.

The Bears?  Who knows what we'll do if Cutler is no longer here?  We'll probably bring some deadbeat FA in and "try to wing it" with a "hope and a prayer"... and then we wonder why the team floats in the NFCN toilet bowl each year, stinking it up.  

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Yep. Gotta build that OL and DL.

I'd say they have a decent package to work with now sans Massie and once Grasu returns if Whitehair has taken over at OC then maybe they have Grasu apprentice at OG for a year and eventually replace Sitton but even for 2017 he'd make a very good spare interior swing guy.

I said early in the summer that next spring Pace's focus has got to be on the OL both in FA and the draft. It's too bad we missed out on Jeff Allen but maybe he made the decision he did because he preferred to remain at OG whereas we may have moved him back to OT.

So it's not as if Pace hasn't made attempts he just hasn't scored on all of them but having Sitton fall in our laps is a Godsend and I'm not at all surprised he jumped on him as aggressively as he did after losing out on Allen.

[JABF]

Sept 15, 2016 14:19:09 GMT -6 @soulman said:

Yep. Gotta build that OL and DL.

I'd say they have a decent package to work with now sans Massie and once Grasu returns if Whitehair has taken over at OC then maybe they have Grasu apprentice at OG for a year and eventually replace Sitton but even for 2017 he'd make a very good spare interior swing guy.

I said early in the summer that next spring Pace's focus has got to be on the OL both in FA and the draft. It's too bad we missed out on Jeff Allen but maybe he made the decision he did because he preferred to remain at OG whereas we may have moved him back to OT.

So it's not as if Pace hasn't made attempts he just hasn't scored on all of them but having Sitton fall in our laps is a Godsend and I'm not at all surprised he jumped on him as aggressively as he did after losing out on Allen.

And I'm okay leaving the past in the past.  But 2017 is the year I don't want to hear any more excuses if the team stinks.  We've heard a ton of excuses over the past many many seasons.  The GM's and coaches come-and-go.  The seasons come-and-go.  By 2017, man I'm hoping we finally put a solid playoff team on the field.  I'm not going to be as patient with the excuses after 2017.