Is it time for Cutler to go?

[MartianBearsFan]

Oct 2, 2016 17:34:20 GMT -6 motm said:

Oct 2, 2016 16:38:42 GMT -6 mikegolf said:

Yards mean shit. We scored 17 points. Look out everyone.

The more time we keep our defense off the field the better it is for us. 

We need to limit the amount of mistakes and to be honest Cutler is known for his mistakes. He holds on to the ball too long and also isn't that great with reading defenses. 

I'm still all for tanking the season and getting a real top 3 draft choice. If its to develop a QB so be it but we really need that pick to jump start this team next year.

In all fairness, I'm not.. If the Bears is going to draft a QB, I think it should be in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. In the past, when the Bears draft a QB in the 1st, it is a bust. 

[JABF]

Oct 2, 2016 17:59:18 GMT -6 MartianBearsFan said:

Oct 2, 2016 17:34:20 GMT -6 motm said:

The more time we keep our defense off the field the better it is for us. 

We need to limit the amount of mistakes and to be honest Cutler is known for his mistakes. He holds on to the ball too long and also isn't that great with reading defenses. 

I'm still all for tanking the season and getting a real top 3 draft choice. If its to develop a QB so be it but we really need that pick to jump start this team next year.

In all fairness, I'm not.. If the Bears is going to draft a QB, I think it should be in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. In the past, when the Bears draft a QB in the 1st, it is a bust. 

LOL, it's not just QB's  :-)

[paytonisgod]

Oct 2, 2016 17:16:12 GMT -6 JABF said:

Oct 2, 2016 16:38:42 GMT -6 mikegolf said:

Yards mean shit. We scored 17 points. Look out everyone.

 But with Cutler we scored 14 points in each of his two games.  He wasn't exactly lighting anything up either.  

Who did Cutler play and who did Hoyer play? Houston and Philadelphia are both top 5 Defenses. Dallas and Detroit are in the 20s. Despite the defense playing better and having better blocking and rushing we still only managed an extra 3 points. I'm not seeing anything that would make me think Cutler would not perform at the same or higher level if he had been out there. 


This is the same thing that happened with McCown when he stepped in and had his little run. It was against weak defensive teams and teams only had so much film on them in this offense. Once that was caught up and he played better teams his numbers went down quite a bit. I suspect the same would happen to Hoyer. He's on his fifth team for a reason.

[paytonisgod]

Oct 2, 2016 17:59:18 GMT -6 MartianBearsFan said:

Oct 2, 2016 17:34:20 GMT -6 motm said:

The more time we keep our defense off the field the better it is for us. 

We need to limit the amount of mistakes and to be honest Cutler is known for his mistakes. He holds on to the ball too long and also isn't that great with reading defenses. 

I'm still all for tanking the season and getting a real top 3 draft choice. If its to develop a QB so be it but we really need that pick to jump start this team next year.

In all fairness, I'm not.. If the Bears is going to draft a QB, I think it should be in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. In the past, when the Bears draft a QB in the 1st, it is a bust. 

Chicago Bear history is just that, history. It has nothing to do with the future. Especially when you have different people running the show than in the past.

The highest chance you will get a franchise QB is drafting in the first round. Second and third round QBs rarely turn out to be good QBs. The percentages are not kind past the first round. The few that are good are a big exception and extremely rare.

[motm]

Oct 2, 2016 17:59:18 GMT -6 MartianBearsFan said:

Oct 2, 2016 17:34:20 GMT -6 motm said:

The more time we keep our defense off the field the better it is for us. 

We need to limit the amount of mistakes and to be honest Cutler is known for his mistakes. He holds on to the ball too long and also isn't that great with reading defenses. 

I'm still all for tanking the season and getting a real top 3 draft choice. If its to develop a QB so be it but we really need that pick to jump start this team next year.

In all fairness, I'm not.. If the Bears is going to draft a QB, I think it should be in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. In the past, when the Bears draft a QB in the 1st, it is a bust. 

In fact I'm all for getting a QB in the first. I really want Garrett here. I believe he is the pass rusher we truly need. 

Seeing how Pace has great success in the 2nd I wouldn't mind a QB at that spot.

[brasilbear]

It's been time for Cutler to go for years. He isn't going to bring a SB here. So you upgrade the position. How ever, Hoyer the Hope Destroyer is worse than Cutler. It's not even arguable. Today going against a bottom DEF missing key players and with an OL improving and with a running game, and with a DEF giving him field position Hoyer only managed 17 points.

[JABF]

Oct 2, 2016 19:15:44 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

It's been time for Cutler to go for years. He isn't going to bring a SB here. So you upgrade the position. How ever, Hoyer the Hope Destroyer is worse than Cutler. It's not even arguable. Today going against a bottom DEF missing key players and with an OL improving and with a running game, and with a DEF giving him field position Hoyer only managed 17 points.

I agree the offense only put up 17 points (although if we had a legit kicker we would have had more).  But Cutler put up 14 points a game.  Hoyer helped the OL as much as they helped him today.  Hoyer had better pocket-awareness than Cutler has shown, he got the ball out quicker, the entire offense seemed to flow better.  I liked how Hoyer went through progressions instead of locking in on one player like Jay often does.  

No, Hoyer isn't the permanent answer at QB.  But Cutler sure isn't either.  

I just think Hoyer is the better QB right now.  He doesn't have the cannon arm that Jay has though.  But I'll take the lessor arm strength if the rest of the attributes are better.   

[paytonisgod]

Oct 2, 2016 20:44:50 GMT -6 JABF said:

Oct 2, 2016 19:15:44 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

It's been time for Cutler to go for years. He isn't going to bring a SB here. So you upgrade the position. How ever, Hoyer the Hope Destroyer is worse than Cutler. It's not even arguable. Today going against a bottom DEF missing key players and with an OL improving and with a running game, and with a DEF giving him field position Hoyer only managed 17 points.

I agree the offense only put up 17 points (although if we had a legit kicker we would have had more).  But Cutler put up 14 points a game.  Hoyer helped the OL as much as they helped him today.  Hoyer had better pocket-awareness than Cutler has shown, he got the ball out quicker, the entire offense seemed to flow better.  I liked how Hoyer went through progressions instead of locking in on one player like Jay often does.  

No, Hoyer isn't the permanent answer at QB.  But Cutler sure isn't either.  

I just think Hoyer is the better QB right now.  He doesn't have the cannon arm that Jay has though.  But I'll take the lessor arm strength if the rest of the attributes are better.   

Rewatch the game again. He wasn't getting it out any faster and Hoyer had loads of time in the pocket. Even the commentators noticed that several times. That's why he looked so composed in the pocket. Had you put Hoyer in during the Texans game he would have had all the same issues and possibly more as Cutler had to deal with as the Texans were in the backfield all game. You cannot compare their performances when the environments they had to deal with were very different.

Does anyone remember the 2011 season when Cutler went down and Hanie and then McCown came in? Because before that people were saying much the same thing. I even remember the CBMB post that proclaimed we would be just fine without Cutler and then team promptly lost the next 5 games and ended the season 8-8. I heard the same thing with Clausen. How'd that work out?

If Hoyer had come in and just lit it up I would be all for letting him start, but he didn't. It just blows my mind that people are willing to change things up based simply on rather mediocre performances in 2 games.

[blueshoes]

To me it's similar to when we always 'seemed' to play better when Orton was in for an injured Grossman . Grossman had more tools , Orton somehow seemed more 'effective' ... and yes , the defense you happen to play against does matter - alot . I doubt either of them are the long term solution so .....

[riczaj01]

Oct 2, 2016 21:20:48 GMT -6 paytonisgod said:

Oct 2, 2016 20:44:50 GMT -6 JABF said:

I agree the offense only put up 17 points (although if we had a legit kicker we would have had more).  But Cutler put up 14 points a game.  Hoyer helped the OL as much as they helped him today.  Hoyer had better pocket-awareness than Cutler has shown, he got the ball out quicker, the entire offense seemed to flow better.  I liked how Hoyer went through progressions instead of locking in on one player like Jay often does.  

No, Hoyer isn't the permanent answer at QB.  But Cutler sure isn't either.  

I just think Hoyer is the better QB right now.  He doesn't have the cannon arm that Jay has though.  But I'll take the lessor arm strength if the rest of the attributes are better.   

Rewatch the game again. He wasn't getting it out any faster and Hoyer had loads of time in the pocket. Even the commentators noticed that several times. That's why he looked so composed in the pocket. Had you put Hoyer in during the Texans game he would have had all the same issues and possibly more as Cutler had to deal with as the Texans were in the backfield all game. You cannot compare their performances when the environments they had to deal with were very different.

Does anyone remember the 2011 season when Cutler went down and Hanie and then McCown came in? Because before that people were saying much the same thing. I even remember the CBMB post that proclaimed we would be just fine without Cutler and then team promptly lost the next 5 games and ended the season 8-8. I heard the same thing with Clausen. How'd that work out?

If Hoyer had come in and just lit it up I would be all for letting him start, but he didn't. It just blows my mind that people are willing to change things up based simply on rather mediocre performances in 2 games.

I did watch the game, and it was talked about in the post game, he WAS getting the ball out more quickly. When he did hold onto the ball for 4+ sec's it was a role out or he was getting pressure/sacked. 

And btw, who has Houston beaten to get to that to deserve all this praise? The beat the Bears(1-3), Titans(1-3), Chiefs(2-3), their loan loss? Patriots where they got worked over. 
Philly? Beat the Bears(1-3), Browns(0-4) and Stealers(4-1). Of those, only the Steelers were good. Those Def's are good, but maybe we should wait for wk 8 to really decide who's who when it comes to best b/c those schedules are looking warm butter soft outside of 2 teams and between those 2 teams those great defenses are .50. We'll get to see how good Philly is tonight vs GB.