Hoge (WGN):brian-hoyer-is-a-good-backup-quarterback-thats-it

[riczaj01]

Oct 4, 2016 13:11:11 GMT -6 AlexM said:

Oct 4, 2016 12:03:28 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

WNML, b/c 17 points against a bad def that's why. That's not good, up until that week det had given up 2 30 + point games, and 1 16. Tennessee would have scored more also, but they turned the ball over 2 times. For an error free game(no int's no fumbles) 17 points is just not good enough against that poor of a defense.

What Hoyer does well is understand and play w/in the system and play calls, and he keeps the ball safe. But in the end you have to score while protecting the ball, cannot rely on a qb that cannot put up 23+ points against the bottom defenses.

In fact, thats not what Hoyer does well. He did it well in this game, but Hoyer could have 3 int's vs Indy, no problem

okay valid, what he is DOING well

[riczaj01]

Ya he could have been like Cutler, but he wasn't that's why the discussion is happening about if he should continue to start.

[weneedmorelinemen]

Oct 4, 2016 13:11:11 GMT -6 AlexM said:

Oct 4, 2016 12:03:28 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

WNML, b/c 17 points against a bad def that's why. That's not good, up until that week det had given up 2 30 + point games, and 1 16. Tennessee would have scored more also, but they turned the ball over 2 times. For an error free game(no int's no fumbles) 17 points is just not good enough against that poor of a defense.

What Hoyer does well is understand and play w/in the system and play calls, and he keeps the ball safe. But in the end you have to score while protecting the ball, cannot rely on a qb that cannot put up 23+ points against the bottom defenses.

In fact, thats not what Hoyer does well. He did it well in this game, but Hoyer could have 3 int's vs Indy, no problem

I expect the Bears to drop one of the next two games. But that is acceptable as the backup QB is playing. What is unacceptable backup QB play is Quinn, Hanie, or Pickles, who lost every game in which they touched the ball.

[weneedmorelinemen]

When Cutler is healthy, I expect him to take the starting role back. Hoyer has guaranteed himself as the backup QB somewhere in this league for 2017, if not for the Bears, just for his play in the past two games. That's how bad QB development has become. Shit, I think I read that Clipboard Jesus Charlie Whitehurst has a job again as a backup.

[JABF]

Oct 4, 2016 13:10:08 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Oct 4, 2016 13:04:19 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Cutler is the better QB if all else is equal IMO.  Yes, I know that isn't saying much because JC is nothing special either.

And there in lies the problem, and why it really doesn't matter. Hoyer is nothing special, but he's safe w/the ball. Cutler can probably produce as much if not better, but he'll turn the ball over which will neutralize the extra points. It's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation.

As a fan it just wears a person down.  Cutler is the big tease.  He'll get your hopes up and then just crush them.  I'm tired of it.  I really don't care anymore... just get someone else.  Let Ryan Pace and the upgraded scouting department earn their money.  Find us something better.  I don't want to hear the excuses... just do your job, Pace.  

People will undoubtedly pipe in now with "it is so hard to draft a good QB"... yes, that is true.  It isn't a cakewalk drafting any position at the NFL level.  But that's the gig if you're a GM.  

[riczaj01]

Well neither is Cutler, what's your point. Cutler had to chances to play well against playoff teams, and shit the bed and pee'd his pants

I guarantee you in the locker room, in the film room they are not telling Hoyer, hey go out there and just play good enough vs the cellar dwellar's, when a playoff team comes along you're allowed to play like shit.

He should be off the team next year, and shouldn't have been signed; backup rookies can play as well as he had, and at a franction of the cost.

[mpbears68]

Oct 4, 2016 13:42:31 GMT -6 JABF said:

Oct 4, 2016 13:10:08 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

And there in lies the problem, and why it really doesn't matter. Hoyer is nothing special, but he's safe w/the ball. Cutler can probably produce as much if not better, but he'll turn the ball over which will neutralize the extra points. It's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation.

As a fan it just wears a person down.  Cutler is the big tease.  He'll get your hopes up and then just crush them.  I'm tired of it.  I really don't care anymore... just get someone else.  Let Ryan Pace and the upgraded scouting department earn their money.  Find us something better.  I don't want to hear the excuses... just do your job, Pace.  

People will undoubtedly pipe in now with "it is so hard to draft a good QB"... yes, that is true.  It isn't a cakewalk drafting any position at the NFL level.  But that's the gig if you're a GM.  

I think we all agree and see the writing is on the wall with Cutler.  He won't be a Bear a year from now.  Despite not getting the best of supporting casts for years, he has had his chances to own the job and hasn't been consistently good enough to warrant keeping him around.  I'd like to get a pick for him (and don't expect it to be a 1st) but I kind of doubt anyone will bite.  

Finding a new starter is a make-or-break type thing for a GM so that will at least make the long offseason interesting.  I'm really curious whether Pace will make a play for Garrapolo if NE is willing to deal him or if he thinks the draft class is strong enough to take his chances there.

[brasilbear]

Oct 4, 2016 13:11:11 GMT -6 AlexM said:

Oct 4, 2016 12:03:28 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

WNML, b/c 17 points against a bad def that's why. That's not good, up until that week det had given up 2 30 + point games, and 1 16. Tennessee would have scored more also, but they turned the ball over 2 times. For an error free game(no int's no fumbles) 17 points is just not good enough against that poor of a defense.

What Hoyer does well is understand and play w/in the system and play calls, and he keeps the ball safe. But in the end you have to score while protecting the ball, cannot rely on a qb that cannot put up 23+ points against the bottom defenses.

In fact, thats not what Hoyer does well. He did it well in this game, but Hoyer could have 3 int's vs Indy, no problem

25 starts with 30 turnovers. That's Hoyer

[seqq34]

Oct 4, 2016 15:49:17 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

Oct 4, 2016 13:11:11 GMT -6 AlexM said:

In fact, thats not what Hoyer does well. He did it well in this game, but Hoyer could have 3 int's vs Indy, no problem

28 starts with 39 turnovers. That's Hoyer

*Fixed...and curious where you got your numbers from LoL i used pro-football-reference

[brasilbear]

Oct 4, 2016 16:50:38 GMT -6 seqq34 said:

Oct 4, 2016 15:49:17 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

28 starts with 39 turnovers. That's Hoyer

*Fixed...and curious where you got your numbers from LoL i used pro-football-reference

I think I only used the last two seasons (Cleveland and Houston). Thanks for the update.